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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

I remember, decades ago, a movie serial "Captain Marvel,"and in Episode 1 there was a character named Shazam, an old man with a long white beard who gave the boy, Billy Batson, the powers of turning himself into a powerful (flying, no less!) man - Captain Marvel, and he do so by saying "Shazam!" out loud. The character Shazam said the word Shazam was an acronym for a variety of powers obtained by pagan gods. As I recall, the "Z" in the name meant the power came from Zeus. I don't remember any of the others.
I know Captain Marvel, the comics, lost a court case early on, and were prohibited from publishing. There were, I believe, a variety of name changes and ownership of the comics and trademark (by a different company, I think) of the name Captain Marvel, and the comics had to stop publishing for nearly a quarter century.
Today's Captain Marvel, if I understand correctly, is NOT the same Captain Marvel from decades ago, neither comics nor the old serial. The new movie, Shazam!, now in theaters, I've heard, IS based on that old original boy-magically-becomes-man Captain Marvel character, and is NOT based on the old man named Shazam in the original.
Does my memory match reality? Is the new Shazam! the same (or nearly the same) as the old Billy Batson-Captain Marvel (unlike the female Captain Marvel in a movie this year or last.)
The old original Captain Marvel was set in, IIRC, the Valley of the Tombs in Siam, where Captain Marvel defended white tomb raiders from attacks by natives. I also recall an "angry" volcano, but I forget precisely what roused the ire of the volcano.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

S โ€“ Wisdom of Solomon. This gives him enhanced intellect, knowledge, and the focus of the gods

H โ€“ Strength of Hercules. This gives him his superhuman strength.

A โ€“ Stamina of Atlas. This gives him stamina and his near-invulnerability

Z โ€“ Power of Zeus. With his being hit by lightning, this one shouldn't surprise. It gives him control over the magic lightning, near-immortality, and spell-casting.

A โ€“ Courage of Achilles. He has an indomitable will.

M โ€“ Speed of Mercury. Superhuman speed can sure come in handy.

BlacKnight ๐Ÿšซ
Updated:

The "Captain Marvel" thing is a whole IP mess involving three different comics companies.

Captain Marvel/Billy Batson was created in the '40s by Fawcett Comics, and Captain Marvel comics were very popular for 15 years or so, until DC sued Fawcett for copyright violation, alleging that Captain Marvel was a copy of Superman. Fawcett stopped publishing Captain Marvel, and Billy languished until the '70s, when DC acquired the property, with the intention of publishing new comics about Captain Marvel/Billy Batson.

But in the meantime, Marvel Comics had created their own "Captain Marvel", a Kree named Mar-Vell, and held an active trademark on "Captain Marvel". They've continued to keep the title active in order to maintain the trademark, but it's passed on to a number of different characters since Mar-Vell, most recently Carol Danvers (formerly known as Ms. Marvel). (Whom I know mainly from the period of X-Men when Rogue had drained Ms. Marvel a little too hard and had more or less permanently acquired Carol's powers and had her personality living in the back of her head.)

Captain Marvel/Billy Batson is a completely different (and older) character than Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell or any of his successors, including Carol Danvers, so DC was able to start publishing new comics about Captain Marvel/Billy Batson, but they couldn't title them Captain Marvel, because that would be a violation of the Marvel Comics trademark. So the Billy Batson comics were entitled Shazam!, from his magic word - but Billy's actual supranym was still Captain Marvel until fairly recently, when, to reduce confusion, DC actually renamed Billy "Shazam" in a continuity reboot.

So the movie Shazam! is a DC movie, about Billy Batson, who was the original Captain Marvel, but is now known as Shazam.

The movie Captain Marvel is a Marvel Comics movie, about a completely different character, not connected to the original Captain Marvel in any way, named Carol Danvers, known as Captain Marvel.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@BlacKnight

The "Captain Marvel" thing is a whole IP mess

That's not the only IP mess involving DC and Marvel Comics.

Much to the dismay of indie comic companies trying to do superhero genre comics, DC and Marvel jointly hold a trademark on "superhero"

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

I'm a little surprised they'd let somebody tradmark the word "superhero." I guess I shouldn't be. I remember when I was much younger there was a type of shirt called "polo," that was sort of like a T-shirt, except it had a collar and three buttons, usually with an open neck. Then much later (but still many years ago today) somebody got the trademark (or maybe it was just a brand name) for the word "Polo" for the same type of shirt.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

I'm a little surprise they'd let somebody tradmark the word "superhero."

superhero wasn't much of a thing outside of DC and Marvel back when DC and Marvel both tried to trademark it at the same, time, fought over it in court and finally settled on joint custody.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Much to the dismay of indie comic companies trying to do superhero genre comics, DC and Marvel jointly hold a trademark on "superhero"

But but but ... SOL has superhero(ine) stories ...

AJ

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

But but but ... SOL has superhero(ine) stories ...

Not too many SOL stories published in comic book form and are available at your local comic book store. I doubt Marvel/DC gets their panties in a bunch at every use of the word 'superhero,' unlike Disney - who get their knickers in a twist nearly every day over some IP offense, real or imagined.

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@BlacKnight

Captain Marvel was a copy of Superman

I seem to recall that there was a battle BETWEEN Superman and Captain Marvel at one point in the DC Universe. (As opposed to the battles between Bizarro Superman and Superman. I swear at times I felt like the writers were really reaching for story lines.)

Replies:   PotomacBob
PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

I seem to recall that there was a battle BETWEEN Superman and Captain Marvel at one point in the DC Universe

You mean the characters - or the corporations?

Replies:   AmigaClone
AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

You mean the characters - or the corporations?

The characters Captain Marvel/Shazam/Billy Batson and Superman likely had a battle.

Something like that is far from unique - Two (or more) heroes fighting each other has appeared in at least 6 of the MCU movies and two of the DCEU live action movies.

I have no idea the number of times that has happened in cartoons, comics and TV shows just involving one of the two franchises - not to mention other any other groups...

Replies:   Darian Wolfe
Darian Wolfe ๐Ÿšซ

@AmigaClone

I saw one Youtube cartoon where Captain Marvel held Superman up in a bearhug and just kept saying Shazam over and over again causing Superman to keep getting struck by lightning. I laughed my ass off.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

@Darian Wolfe

That was from an episode of "Justice League Unlimited". They disagreed about a Lexcorp thing, and it escalated.

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Is the new Shazam! the same (or nearly the same) as the old Billy Batson-Captain Marvel (unlike the female Captain Marvel in a movie this year or last.)

DC Comics owns the Shazam Billy Batson Captain Marvel. Marvel Comics own the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel that had the movie that came out this year.

So that's the difference between them.

karactr ๐Ÿšซ

Superman has a major issue with magic.

Since all of Shazam's abilities are magical, you can see the problem.

i_like2_sail2 ๐Ÿšซ

but who remembers the Shazam tv show from the 70's. with the old guy and the kid riding around the country in an RV?

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

@i_like2_sail2

I'm old enough to have been in the target age group when it was on.

It's amazing to think back to some of the shows I liked as a kid, and consider awful now.

Replies:   i_like2_sail2
i_like2_sail2 ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

lol me too. i remember running around the house yelling Shazam acting like I could fly. I think that was the first super hero I remember. I think I knew of Shazam before I knew about Super Man

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