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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

I caught a documentary on Elmore Leonard on PBS at the weekend. I didn't realise how much he'd written.

The thing I found most interesting was that his early novels were plot driven - mostly westerns - and his later works were character driven - mostly thrillers. In one novel he killed off his female protagonist, which readers hated, but Leonard said she made him do it.

I think the title came from an ironic comment by Leonard (who battled alcoholism for some of his career) - 'Don't write when you're drunk'.

And if you can read this, many thanks to Lazeez for catering for my antediluvian browser - Firefox 52 wasn't setting cookies correctly.

AJ

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Here are his 10 rules for writing:

1. Never open a book with weather.
If it's only to create atmosphere, and not a character's reaction to the weather, you don't want to go on too long. The reader is apt to leaf ahead looking for people. There are exceptions. If you happen to be Barry Lopez, who has more ways to describe ice and snow than an Eskimo, you can do all the weather reporting you want.

2. Avoid prologues.
They can be annoying, especially a prologue following an introduction that comes after a foreword. But these are ordinarily found in nonfiction. A prologue in a novel is backstory, and you can drop it in anywhere you want. There is a prologue in John Steinbeck's "Sweet Thursday," but it's O.K. because a character in the book makes the point of what my rules are all about. He says: "I like a lot of talk in a book and I don't like to have nobody tell me what the guy that's talking looks like. I want to figure out what he looks like from the way he talks. . . . figure out what the guy's thinking from what he says. I like some description but not too much of that. . . . Sometimes I want a book to break loose with a bunch of hooptedoodle. . . . Spin up some pretty words maybe or sing a little song with language. That's nice. But I wish it was set aside so I don't have to read it. I don't want hooptedoodle to get mixed up with the story."

3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue.
The line of dialogue belongs to the character; the verb is the writer sticking his nose in. But said is far less intrusive than grumbled, gasped, cautioned, lied. I once noticed Mary McCarthy ending a line of dialogue with "she asseverated," and had to stop reading to get the dictionary.

4. Never use an adverb to modify the verb "said" โ€ฆ
. . . he admonished gravely. To use an adverb this way (or almost any way) is a mortal sin. The writer is now exposing himself in earnest, using a word that distracts and can interrupt the rhythm of the exchange. I have a character in one of my books tell how she used to write historical romances "full of rape and adverbs."

5. Keep your exclamation points under control.
You are allowed no more than two or three per 100,000 words of prose. If you have the knack of playing with exclaimers the way Tom Wolfe does, you can throw them in by the handful.

6. Never use the words "suddenly" or "all hell broke loose."
This rule doesn't require an explanation. I have noticed that writers who use "suddenly" tend to exercise less control in the application of exclamation points.

7. Use regional dialect, patois, sparingly.
Once you start spelling words in dialogue phonetically and loading the page with apostrophes, you won't be able to stop. Notice the way Annie Proulx captures the flavor of Wyoming voices in her book of short stories "Close Range."

8. Avoid detailed descriptions of characters.
Which Steinbeck covered. In Ernest Hemingway's "Hills Like White Elephants" what do the "American and the girl with him" look like? "She had taken off her hat and put it on the table." That's the only reference to a physical description in the story, and yet we see the couple and know them by their tones of voice, with not one adverb in sight.

9. Don't go into great detail describing places and things.
Unless you're Margaret Atwood and can paint scenes with language or write landscapes in the style of Jim Harrison. But even if you're good at it, you don't want descriptions that bring the action, the flow of the story, to a standstill.

10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.
A rule that came to mind in 1983. Think of what you skip reading a novel: thick paragraphs of prose you can see have too many words in them. What the writer is doing, he's writing, perpetrating hooptedoodle, perhaps taking another shot at the weather, or has gone into the character's head, and the reader either knows what the guy's thinking or doesn't care. I'll bet you don't skip dialogue.

My most important rule is one that sums up the 10.

If it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.

Or, if proper usage gets in the way, it may have to go. I can't allow what we learned in English composition to disrupt the sound and rhythm of the narrative. It's my attempt to remain invisible, not distract the reader from the story with obvious writing. (Joseph Conrad said something about words getting in the way of what you want to say.)

If I write in scenes and always from the point of view of a particular character โ€” the one whose view best brings the scene to life โ€” I'm able to concentrate on the voices of the characters telling you who they are and how they feel about what they see and what's going on, and I'm nowhere in sight.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

I can't allow what we learned in English composition to disrupt the sound and rhythm of the narrative.

This is what troubles me most about an AI editor correcting my writing.

Joe_Bondi_Beach ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

In a New York Times piece that included Elmore Leonard's rules for writing he used as an example "sweet Thursday" by Steinbeck, and noted that Steinbeck had flagged to chapters as hooptedoodle. Leonard said he read every word of those two chapters.
~ JBB

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue.
The line of dialogue belongs to the character; the verb is the writer sticking his nose in. But said is far less intrusive than grumbled, gasped, cautioned, lied. I once noticed Mary McCarthy ending a line of dialogue with "she asseverated," and had to stop reading to get the dictionary.

4. Never use an adverb to modify the verb "said" โ€ฆ
. . . he admonished gravely. To use an adverb this way (or almost any way) is a mortal sin. The writer is now exposing himself in earnest, using a word that distracts and can interrupt the rhythm of the exchange. I have a character in one of my books tell how she used to write historical romances "full of rape and adverbs."

Both of these "rules" are situational.

In the midst of combat, a factory floor, a vehicle crash, or similarly loud environment, if a character merely "said" something, most other characters are unlikely to hear what was said.

In those situations, or those of high emotion, a character probably should shout, yell, etc.

Commanded I use on some occasions; the military attempts to teach Officers and NCOs a "Command Voice" but despite their rank, not everyone is capable, or at least not consistently. Law enforcement officers, or others in a position of authority may (try to) use this "voice" too.

Joe commented, "I don't know you anymore."

There are times a person says something and doesn't expect a reply. Most of us can tell by their tone. It can be difficult to determine that in writing, without using a descriptive, such as "Commented" IMHO it is even more intrusive to tell the speakers thoughts.

Muttered, is another variation of said that conveys a statement that may not have wanted a response, and also the volume of their utterance.

Whispered, or said quietly, is appropriate in circumstances where a character is attempting to be stealthy, or is in church during services, or a court room, when talking out loud would be problematic.

When I first started writing, long before I began posting on SoL, I used too many variants for said, just to "spice things up" but, as in cooking, one should probably use "spices" sparingly.

However, in situations where speaking in a conversational voice is problematic, then using another, more appropriate to the situation, descriptive word is what I prefer.

When the hapless recruit joined the formation late, and without his rifle, the Drill Sergeant, his face red, and spittle flying, said, "Where is your rifle recruit? Drop and give me twenty!"

Should a writer use said, or shout in the above situation?

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

as in cooking, one should probably use "spices" sparingly.

In the case of chillies, less than three times a week for people who are biologically and identify as men, because it allegedly has a negative impact on testosterone production :-)

AJ

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

In the midst of combat, a factory floor, a vehicle crash, or similarly loud environment, if a character merely "said" something, most other characters are unlikely to hear what was said.

I happen to use "shouted" and "whispered" in addition to "said." But my guess is Leonard would simply have said the dialogue and situation would let the reader know the speaker was shouting or whispering. I also use "ask" when it's a question and always wonder if I need to do that because the ? tells the reader it's a question. After all, "said" makes sense because the speaker is saying the question.

As a military guy, I'm surprised you didn't mention "barked." My drill sergeant never said. He always barked. LOL

Sometimes I add an adverb to the "said," simply because I'm not smart enough to convey it to the reader without doing that. The one that comes to mind is "he said, satirically."

mrherewriting ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

If everyone's 'rules on writing' worked, then everyone who followed them would be a bestseller.

The closest thing to a rule I follow is: Write however you want, but make it good.

Replies:   Rodeodoc
Rodeodoc ๐Ÿšซ

@mrherewriting

And when it goes through the edit process, make it gooder.

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mrherewriting ๐Ÿšซ

@Rodeodoc

That's what it's there for.

garymrssn ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.

That made me think of advertising.
Has anyone been told they can't monetize their story unless they allow the online publisher to insert an advertisement in the middle of a story?

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Another conviction Elmore Leonard held was against writing the same story again and again, just changing the names and a few details. But he recognised that other authors did it and were commercially successful. But he didn't want to be one of them.

is there a name for that technique? Auto-plagiarism?

In one of the current serials I'm following on SOL, the author is setting up a sort of cliff-hanger. If it goes the usual way, I can predict what the outcome will be. If it doesn't go the usual way, it will be unknown territory. So, for me, it's still a cliffhanger, just not quite the way the author intended.

AJ

akarge ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I remember one specific Author, who I otherwise like, who CONSISTENTLY has his characters scream, shout, or yell their conversations, even in school classes, restaurants etc.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

The author is probably a professional soap opera script writer :-)

AJ

rustyken ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Most of time I use 'said' but may add a modifier to convey emotions. I've looked at the list of words that are considered alternatives to 'said', and on occasion used one. But while some seem to fit the situation, when they are placed in the dialog it doesn't feel right. So it is back to 'said' with perhaps a modifier

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@rustyken

A headline on the site of my local newspaper said 'Supporter banned after he hurled abuse at a black player'.

I guess that means 'hurl' is a valid dialogue tag.

"Your granny could tackle harder than that," hurled the supporter.

AJ

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madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

"What veg do we need?" she asked.

"Diced Carrots", he hurled

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@madnige

"Diced Carrots", he hurled

Was he sticking his head in a bucket at the time?

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