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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

A school principal was forced to resign because a 6th-grade art class in the school was shown a photo of Michelangelo's David. The mayor of Florence said: "Confusing art with pornography was 'ridiculous'."

I agree with her 100%. But I wonder if she would consider my stories art or pornography.

Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I would suggest that intent matters. Although nude, David is not intentionally erotic. Michelangelo did not carve the statue with the intent of enflaming the passions of all who saw it. The placement doesn't enhance some erotic theme.

Your stories, whether art or not, often include sexual content which very obviously is written with an intent to arouse. The word pornography tends to be used perjoratively in US media, but all the word actually means is content intended to arouse the audience.

So, yes, your stories ARE pornography, by definition. Unless you're going to argue that you don't actually want readers to enjoy the sex scenes and that you only include them for purposes of realism. Which would be an interesting argument to make, certainly.

But just because something is pornography doesn't mean it can't also be art.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Dicrostonyx

So, yes, your stories ARE pornography, by definition.

I'd rather say it's "erotica."

But here's another one:

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox signed H.B. 374 โ€” also called the Sensitive Materials in Schools Act โ€” into law in March 2022. The bill bans books with "pornographic or indecent" material from schools and school libraries.

Utah Parents United โ€” a conservative parents group that pushes for book bans in schools โ€” has requested that some books be removed from Davis High School.

A parent said the law makes it easier to ban the Bible from the school.

"I noticed there's a gap, though," the parent said in the complaint. "Utah Parents United left off one of the most sex-ridden books around: The Bible. Incest, onanism, bestiality, prostitution, genital mutilation, fellatio, dildos, rape, and even infanticide."

The parent said that the legislature would "no doubt find" that the Bible violates the state's new law because it has "'no serious values for minors because it's pornographic by our new definition."

"Get this PORN out of our schools! If the books that have been banned so far are any indication for way lesser offenses, this should be a slam dunk," the parent wrote in the complaint.

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Not a single book has been "banned" by anyone in this country.
School boards/teachers/librarians make decisions over appropriate material all the time. By including them in the curriculum or placing it in the library, the school is explicitly endorsing the book. THe boards/teachers/librarians always have excluded material they find objectionable. - do you think they would permit the Turner Diaries
be on reading lists or in the library? Huckleberry Finn is probably the book that has received the most protests and dozens of other books are no longer taught or maintained because of "racially insensitive" content.
As to any of those books - students are free to read them if they wish. Who is attempting to stop them from doing so?

As far as the statue of David - I personally know of a situation when paintings were removed, in violation of the original grant to the college, from college classrooms because they contained female nudity. The claim of the feminist groups leading the protest was that they were pornographic and demeaning of women.

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akarge ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

So this wasn't art, but back in the 70s, my college banned Gummy Mermaids.

They had "bare breasts" and men were "licking and chewing on them".

This was acting on a complaint from some women's group on campus.

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

So this wasn't art, but back in the 70s, my college banned Gummy Mermaids.

The makers of gummy bears briefly sold a male version. Sales were ended as the novelty wore off to quickly...

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StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Sales were ended as the novelty wore off to quickly...

Did you know that it's okay to tell someone to eat a Bag of Dicks, because you can send them one?

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

Did you know that it's okay to tell someone to eat a Bag of Dicks, because you can send them one?

I'm surprised that you obtain your dicks by the bag.

I was going to say that I find it hard to swallow, but since the thought doesn't make me gag, that would be inaccurate.

:)

Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The US in general is the most socially conservative country in the Western world. Back during the 2015 Canadian election cycle I recall a US newscaster explaining our parties by saying that our conservative party (the Progressive Conservatives) were slightly to the left of Hilary Clinton. Britain is more liberal than Canada, Continental Europe more liberal than Britain, and Scandinavia more liberal than the continent.

So what you've quoted above is a bunch of ultra-conservatives even from the point of view of a generally conservative population. The fact that ultra-conservatives cannot use concepts like "pornography" properly or even consistently is hardly surprising, even ignoring the fact that some of these people might well be lying about their own desires in order to score political points with certain demographics.

In other words, yes, of course a conservative governor is going to sign a conservative bill. This isn't surprising. At this point it would be more surprising if he didn't.

But these people do not drive the public narrative of what is and is not art, erotica, or pornography. They barely even have control over their own states. They're grasping at straws to prevent their own children from realizing that it's the 21st century instead of the 19th.

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Dicrostonyx

The US in general is the most socially conservative country in the Western world.

Not true. Unless you add the word "publicly" before the word "socially".

To discover the truth all you need to do is look at the porn industry i the USA. Ignore the providers and look at the huge number of American consumers.

It is also true that many of those who campaign against pornograpy spend more time looking, watching and reading it than the average consumers.

Also note that one of the prime anti-porn campaigners consider both Sports Illustrated and Cosmopolitan magazines to be hard core porn.

According to NSVRC;

One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime.

Nearly a quarter (24.8%) of men in the U.S. experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.

Almost one in four undergraduate women experienced sexual assault or misconduct at 33 of the nation's major universities.

So NO, the USA is NOT the most socially conservative country in the Western world. It does however dislike acknowledging the truth publicly.

Unless you believe that socially conservative folk find rape acceptable?

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LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Ignore the providers and look at the huge number of American consumers.

To me, it only proves the social conservativism. Because there is indeed obvious and strong inverse correlation between social conservatism and consumption of pornogtraphy.

That's why I believe the current wave of taboo-izing nudity, the gender segregation hysteria and even the bogus anti-pedo campaigns are all led by porn industry itself. Because pushing the society towards (outwardly) conservativism increases their bottom line.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Not true. Unless you add the word "publicly" before the word "socially".

To discover the truth all you need to do is look at the porn industry i the USA.

That's typically the US: if it makes (a lot of) money suddenly conservative principles are less important...
Sounds harsh but the truth can be hard.

So NO, the USA is NOT the most socially conservative country in the Western world.

true but it sits in the top ten. It's almost solely based on religion: in controlling the public christianity is just as bad as islam, maybe even worse.

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Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

It's almost solely based on religion: in controlling the public christianity is just as bad as islam, maybe even worse.

I am not sure if that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read, or heard about; or if is belligerently stupid!

In the 20th century Communists murdered more people than have been killed in all of the "wars of religion" in recorded history. Most of the people murdered by Communists were (nominally) "citizens" or at least Subjects of the Communist governments.

As far as Christianity vs. Islam. Name the last time, or any time in the last 120 years that anyone in Western Chistendom that anyone was stoned, beheaded, or otherwise executed for a Religious violation. Compare that to the vast numbers of human beings executed for violations of Islamic law!

I cannot recall of an instance of any female being thrown back into a burning building because they were "immodestly" dressed. This has occurred hundreds of times, perhaps more, in the last century in several Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan in particular.

Terrible things have been done over the last 2000 years in the name of Christianity. Most of them were condemned at the time of being unchristian! (Albeit, sometimes by only a minority.) Many of those aberrations are condemned now by a majority of Christians.

Any Muslim who would criticize many of the atrocities committed in the name of Islam would be condemned as an APOSTATE! There are some very decent and moral Muslims, most would be considered an apostate by their coreligionists. Millions more are basically ordinary folk who were born into the religion and culture, and try to just get by.

There are some good features of Islam, however, there is no "lawful" way to practice Islam without at least condoning atrocities! Reformation of Islam is Apostasy! Islam would have to be fundamentally altered, and it would be extremely bloody!

Nearly all atrocities committed in the name of Christianity are in violation of the primary tenets of the religion; as stated in the New Testament (also including the 10 Commandments). The Old Testament is about the covenant(s) between God and the Jewish peoples, and the history of the Jews.

Most of what are termed the "Wars of Religion" were much more about the Secular struggles for power between France, the Holy Roman Empire, and other Secular powers. Often the Catholics employed Protestant mercenaries, and vice versa. Religion was a powerful motivator, however, Nearly all the leaders (including Popes) were disgustingly cynical in their invoking religious claims. Of course there were, and are, twisted religious fanatics.

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Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

I am not sure if that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read, or heard about; or if is belligerently stupid!

Taking it a bit out of context isn't it?
I referred religions concerning their conservative attitudes according to what they consider 'decent'. I never mentioned wars, killing, or fanatics. Truth is that a large part of both parties in the US have based their opinions on their catholic religion. The conservatives mostly because "see, we are 'good'" and half of the democrats for the same and the other half because they politically have to to remain in position. If it weren't for money the US would be socially back to the middle ages. All in all I'm surprised it lasts for so long and reasonably well.

John Demille ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Almost one in four undergraduate women experienced sexual assault or misconduct at 33 of the nation's major universities.

When sexual assault or misconduct include 'Male Gaze' and 'Catcalling' (which they do in those numbers), I call bullshit on the stats.

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@John Demille

When sexual assault or misconduct include 'Male Gaze' and 'Catcalling' (which they do in those numbers), I call bullshit on the stats.

Ok. So the almost one in four number is too high.

How many rapes per say 100 students do you find acceptable?

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Zero rapes are acceptable. But, as was pointed out, the inflated rape, sexual violence and sexual assault figures include things that are not, by any reasonable understanding, any of those. Someone who "regrets having sex" is considered a rape victim.

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

Someone who "regrets having sex" is considered a rape victim.

Does that mean my first ex-wife was raping me? Because I sure regret having sex with her.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

Zero rapes are acceptable. But, as was pointed out, the inflated rape, sexual violence and sexual assault figures include things that are not, by any reasonable understanding, any of those. Someone who "regrets having sex" is considered a rape victim.

And the use of those deliberately inflated stats are likely counter productive to doing anything useful to reduce rape.

John Demille ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

How many rapes per say 100 students do you find acceptable?

Zero.

But writing policies and laws on false statistics can be very detrimental to society. When young men hesitate in going to university because they will be lectured constantly about how bad they are, then that's bad for society. When men are treated as rapists for looking a girls, then it's wrong.

Is it any wonder that male enrolment in universities has plummeted? How many more women than men are now in universities across the west?

I know it's not all the fault of the 'Rape culture' narrative, but it's definitely a big contributing factor.

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@John Demille

Is it any wonder that male enrolment in universities has plummeted? How many more women than men are now in universities across the west?

If your claim is true, then young women are attending university despite the risk of rape, whilst young men are avoiding university in case they are reminded that rape is wrong.

It seems you agree that rape is wrong, but ignore a solution in favour of decrying pressure put on men not to rape.

The survey showed that nearly a quarter (24.8%) of men in the U.S. experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime. I note you didn't suggest those figures included "false statistics".

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Joy,
Of course that is a fabricated statistic. For the same reasons as the women's stats are inflated.
On the issue of rape, in general, Germaine Greer wrote a book called "On Rape" that raised a furor. People said that she was dismissing the seriousness of rape by stating most rapes were the result of laziness, inattention, carelessness rather than malicious intent. Her point was that the ever expanding definition of rape has actually diluted the seriousness of the crime.

John Demille ๐Ÿšซ
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@joyR

Is it any wonder that male enrolment in universities has plummeted? How many more women than men are now in universities across the west?

If your claim is true, then young women are attending university despite the risk of rape, whilst young men are avoiding university in case they are reminded that rape is wrong.

It seems you agree that rape is wrong, but ignore a solution in favour of decrying pressure put on men not to rape.

From your tone one could easily detect the fully indoctrinated feminist mind set. If my claim is true? Don't take my word. Quick Google search gives you hundreds of articles, here is just one:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/10/08/the-male-college-crisis-is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/

Like all feminist, you seem to believe that all men are rapists and pressure need to be put on them not to rape. Rape, true rape, not the silly stuff that feminists claim (like changing her mind a year after a relationship ends and accuses the man posthumously of rape) is rare enough on college campuses that they have to make up sillier and sillier categories to inflate the numbers. Male Gaze and whistling come to mind. If actual rape was prevalent as claimed, then feminists wouldn't need rigged surveys to inflate the numbers. Simply pointing out police reports in the 4-5% range would be enough get all kinds of laws enacted and they wouldn't need title IX kangaroo courts at universities.

Men who rape are ostarcized by society and are very maltreated by other men. Read up on rapists in prisons sometime. Generally men don't need to be trained not to rape. Rape is the exception, not the rule, except in feminists' minds.

The survey showed that nearly a quarter (24.8%) of men in the U.S. experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime. I note you didn't suggest those figures included "false statistics".

Since men's grievances are regularly ingored by society and government, and generally minimized, I had no comment on the issue.

But since you've asked, I can tell you that I'm very very biased.

I've been assaulted by other men (twice, groping, not penetration, by gay guys on two separate occasions, one of them ended very violently for the offender).

One time I was forcefully made to penetrate by an ex. I had an operation in my back side (pilonidal cyst removal) and healing took over two weeks. One night my then girlfriend came and started jerking me off forcefully until I got hard despite me saying no several times, but since I didn't want to be violent towards her, I didn't physically stop her and she rode me until she had an orgasm. I didn't orgasm due to the pain, and when she got off me I checked and found that my stitches had opened and I was bleeding and ended up going to the ER to restitch the injury. I could have ended the assault physically as I was much stronger, but considering her nature, she would have reported my self defence as violence and I would have paid for it.

I didn't report it of course as I wouldn't be taken seriously, and a couple of months later I ended the relationship.

Another girlfriend attacked me physically twice. The first time I restrained her physically and stopped her attack and warned her to never do it again (funnily she complained for days about the bruises on her forearms where I held them to stop her scratching and biting), and when she did it again I broke up with her. Didn't report her of course.

I've been groped by strange women countless times in bars and nightclubs back in the 90s and a couple of times going into my condo by a neighbour, but I never thought of them as sexual assault but as affirmation that so many women wanted me. But now I do think of them as assault since women report less egregious behaviour as sexual assault.

Since I've been subjected to so many incidents, probably due to my agreeable nature, I don't find the stats too strange and you can count me among the 24.8% of assaulted men.

A friend of mine once got groped by a woman and laughed it off. He said something to the effect of 'That slut just grabbed my dick.' If a man touched a woman's crotch, would she laugh it off or cry assault? and it's the exact same behaviour. Double standards are alive and well.

Time for me to man up and stop complaining I guess.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dicrostonyx

So, yes, your stories ARE pornography, by definition.

The UK central government has decreed that writing is not pornography, so story sites are currently exempt from their anti-porn legislations. However local government seems to operate to a different standard and sites like SOL are banned from public access computers.

AJ

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

pornography

If you are in favor of nography you are pro nography.

If nography isn't rich likely it is poor nography.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

A school principal was forced to resign because a 6th-grade art class in the school was shown a photo of Michelangelo's David.

Presumably those that forced his resignation don't allow mirrors in their bathrooms, let alone allow their kids to shower at school.

I wonder if their commandments include. "Thou shalt cover up thy neighbour's ass" ??

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Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Presumably those that forced his

*her*

Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The problem was supposed to have been that the parents were given no advance warning so they could have "opted out".
The parent(s) of one child complained. Would the school be justified in excluding children of such parents as disruptive? Let them be Home Schooled.
Having said that, I have no idea whether the parent(s) or the child(ren) are at all happy with the way that panned out.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

In the UK, the pendulum has to some extent swung the other way. In the name of inclusivity, LGBTETCETCQ+ activists are visiting schools and teaching young children (some under 11) all about the 73 different genders, what a vagina looks like, how to masturbate and do oral and anal sex (with graphic images) and how to watch porn.

AJ

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Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I imagine you are citing the Mail there, and it was reports like that - whether true or not - which led to the situation in Florida.
I don't have any relatives - that I'm at all close with - in that age group, they have either left full time schooling or are yet to start.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

I imagine you are citing the Mail there

It was reported in multiple right-wing sources. I presume The Guardian was uninterested because it couldn't see anything wrong.

AJ

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The biggest problem is the laws the right are passing are too vague. Under the wording of the law the bible is porn, it has incest, adultery, rape, slavery among other things.

Then you have the anti-abortion laws that keep doctors from providing needed care to women because they worry about being charged with a crime and women are dying because they are forced to carry dead fetuses.

Who would have thought that "The Handmaid's Tale" would become a true story.

Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ
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@ystokes

Seeing the bible banned in Florida would be interesting, how many hours would it then take for the law to be amended?

As to the "women are dying because they are forced to carry dead fetuses", I don't know if this has happened in the US (or Poland) yet, but it certainly happened in Ireland and that incident helped trigger the repeal of the anti-abortion laws there.
A friend of mine had an emergency abortion for exactly that reason almost 30 years ago, she subsequently had two successful pregnancies.

DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Then you have the anti-abortion laws that keep doctors from providing needed care to women because they worry about being charged with a crime and women are dying because they are forced to carry dead fetuses.

Totally false.

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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

Then you have the anti-abortion laws that keep doctors from providing needed care to women because they worry about being charged with a crime

Totally false.

Actually, it's not. There's a hospital in a small town in Iowa that is going to stop delivering babies and, in fact, do away with that whole department. The reason they gave is because they can't find doctors. The doctors are afraid they will be prosecuted if they do something that is considered breaking the law.

The hospital had very few deliveries and patients in that department, so maybe that was the real reason, but they said it was because they couldn't find doctors because they were afraid of prosecution.

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irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The hospital had very few deliveries and patients in that department, so maybe that was the real reason, but they said it was because they couldn't find doctors because they were afraid of prosecution.

"They said" is the operative phrase here.
Anybody can say anything, and what they say is often based on political leanings more than facts.

Truth is, about 50% of rural hospitals lose money on every baby born there. They more often serve poorer, younger, less educated mothers, which means more expense and less favorable outcomes. Plus not enough business to keep obstetricians on staff, so GP's have to take up the slack. No doctor wants a history of "less than favorable outcomes".
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26806952/

DBActive ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

The fact that an isolated hospital in a town of 9000 can't attract an OB/GYN isn't remarkable. It's not remarkable that the hospital would choose to blame other factors to explain their own inability to attact doctors.

Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

The incident in Ireland is detailed under https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar.
The second link details the political changes triggered by her death.

As I wrote above, I know a woman who had a similar problem around 30 years ago with her first pregnancy. Her pregnancy was terminated by a doctor and she later had two - now adult - kids.

I heard of something along these lines in Poland - maybe last year - but don't know how that panned out, as in whether the mother died or not.

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dinsdale

In the Irish case there was no dead fetus. Further, it was plain medical error that caused her to die.

Again, there is no state in the US, or even Ireland at the time of that tragedy, where women die of sepsis due to having to carry a dead fetus.

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Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

The head of the inquiry into her death later clarified

that a significant contributing factor to Halappanavar's death was Ireland's restrictive abortion laws.

This incident triggered a Referendum which overturned the Irish Eighth Amendment by a 2-1 margin. That Amendment had mandated life imprisonment for someone carrying out an abortion except under certain ill-defined circumstances.
An abortion would probably have been permitted under the circumstances, but "probably" was not good enough when the potential punishment was Life. Even a prosecution would have ruined the doctors' lives and they were not prepared to risk it.

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dinsdale

The fact that, despite all evidence to the contrary, the inquiry sought to shift responsiblity from the hospital and MDs who migdiagnosed her twice and administered the wrong treatment is not surprising. The fabled "blue wall of silence" has nothing on the ends to which medical personnel will go to protect their own. An example I know very well is an incident in which a medical board cleared a prominent surgeon and the very renowned NYC hosptial who not only removed the wrong organ but realized his mistake, intentionally did not inform the patient and caused her death. They held that it was a normal risk of the surgery that was performed and that the frozen sections (which revealed that it was the wrong organ) were inconclusive.

Also, not surprising is the fact that abortion activists used this for their own ends regardless of the truth.

The fact that the MDs are ignorant of the law and unwilling to be educated on the law pertaining to their own profession is (at least in this country and likely elsewhere) is a universal fact.

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Under US law, and all the states and territories,

because they are forced to carry dead fetuses

removal of a deat feotus is Not Considered an abortion! Furthermore, it is legal to conduct an abortion to save the life of the mother; as long as the mother consents. Rarely a woman with severe cancer, refuses some treatments that might save her life, to protect her unborn baby.

DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

A school principal was forced to resign because a 6th-grade art class in the school was shown a photo of Michelangelo's David.
. . .
6th-grade art class in the school was shown a photo of Michelangelo's David

Not, exactly.
The principal failed to follow school policy in notifying parents:

At the heart of the anger was that, unlike in years past, parents were not informed of the artwork ahead of time. Hope Carrasquilla, who had been principal at Tallahassee Classical for about nine months, said an email notifying parents had been written, but the administration accidently forgot to send it.

"I made the assumption that the letter went out, and I didn't follow up on it," she told NPR. "It is my responsibility to make sure these things happen, but honestly we did not have to send out a letter regarding Renaissance art."

According to Carrasquilla, two parents were upset they did not receive a letter and one parent complained more specifically about the nudity, equating it to pornographic material.

The school later sent out an apology to parents of the sixth grade class for the oversight. Carrasquilla also spoke to the art history teacher, who made an off-color comment asking students to not tell their parents about the lesson.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Years ago I was in the Getty museum in Malibu and saw a group of 3rd-4th grade school kids and their teacher go in to the room for Greek pottery and there was one vase that showed one man backdooring another man and one little boy asked the teacher "What are they doing?" she couldn't get the kids out of the room fast enough.

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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

"What are they doing?"

There was a scene in the movie "The Birdcage" where that was on the bottom of a bowl. When the conservative senator's wife asked what they were doing (didn't have her glasses) they said playing leapfrog (and then they poured the soup into the bowl to cover it).

tenyari ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Education is more or less illegal in Florida, as is being anything other than White and Heterosexual and if female - pregnant.

So... No one should ever be suprised by the news out of that place.

Fortunately Climate Change will put the entire state (and a bit of the land north of it) underwater soon, and they'll all sink while denying it's happening even as they need a snorkel to breath in the legislature while giving the speech denying the water is rising...

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Education is more or less illegal in Florida, as is being anything other than White and Heterosexual and if female - pregnant.

I said anyone can say anything, that doesn't make it true.
Now I revise that to say any fool can say anything, still doesn't make it true, but at least we now know who is the brain dead fool.

Thanks for the perfect illustration.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

You replied to the wrong person.

What you quoted is from tenyari, not SB.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Just a little cancel colure from the right.

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) on Tuesday decried a South Carolina bill that would criminalize abortion as a homicide and allow women who undergo the procedure to become eligible for the death penalty in the state, criticizing the GOP for not finding a more middle-ground approach to the contentious issue.

"There were 21 members of the South Carolina state legislature that, not only did they draft a bill, but they actually filed a bill that would criminalize women who had abortion and charge them with murder and in the state of South Carolina, murder can mean execution," Mace said in an interview on The Hill's "Rising."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-lawmaker-decries-state-bill-172656962.html

Too Woke?

Years after schools in Pinellas County, Florida, started including Disney's "Ruby Bridges" in its Black History Month curriculum, a parent's complaint has halted the showing on one campus pending a review.

The 1998 film tells the story of young Black girl Bridges, who was a 6-year-old pupil when she integrated a Louisiana school in 1960. The plan to desegregate New Orleans' public schools was met with so much hate and protest, federal marshals were assigned to escort the child to and from school.

Earlier this month, according to The Tampa Bay Times, a parent of a second-grader at North Shore Elementary School in St. Petersburg opted not to let their child see the movie after the school sent permission slips. Days later, Emily Conklin filed a formal challenge with the Pinellas County school district. The scenes of white people threatening and hurling racial slurs at a little Black girl, she wrote, could teach students that white people hate Black people.

https://thegrio.com/2023/03/28/disney-movie-ruby-bridges-banned-from-florida-school/

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Some white people did and continue to hate white people. Some black people hate white people. History should be used as an example to learn from without telling the students that being white (even those students in the classroom) automatically means one is a racist. The solution is individualism. Stop treating anyone as a member of a group.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Joe Long

History should be used as an example to learn from

Don't be naive, history is only relevant when researching who to sue next for what their distant relatives did.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Should the whole human race pay reparations to God for offing his son (allegedly)?

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Of course not, even the wokes struggle to sue descendants of fictional characters.

DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Related to this is the societal determination that the male is always guilty in sexual situations.
A man and woman are both highly intoxicated. They have sex. The woman later regrets it and makes a complaint. The man is likely to be found responsible for the sex act and suffer consequences, despite the fact that both were unable to truly consent to the act.
A lot of this raises from the position of some feminist theorists, beginning on the 70s, that all sex acts between men and women are rape.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

A man and woman are both highly intoxicated. They have sex. The woman later regrets it and makes a complaint. The man is likely to be found responsible for the sex act and suffer consequences, despite the fact that both were unable to truly consent to the act.

I'm all in favour of common sense, "retrospective rape" is almost always a stupid claim, I say 'almost' because circumstances vary which is why we have courts, to judge each case. If judges threw out the stupid cases it would set a common sense precedent. Similarly, the "dressed like that she was asking for it", mindset should also be treated with the contempt it deserves.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If judges threw out the stupid cases

UK judges are not competent/too biased to decide which are the stupid cases. I believe the UK is the world leader in entertaining 'sexsomnia' as a valid excuse for rape.

AJ

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@joyR

I'm all in favour of common sense, "retrospective rape" is almost always a stupid claim, I say 'almost' because circumstances vary which is why we have courts, to judge each case. If judges threw out the stupid cases it would set a common sense precedent.

Except in the US university/college context, these cases don't go to judges. They go through a school disciplinary process run by the school's Title IX compliance office. A process with zero due process for the accused male.

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