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Cosmological Anomaly

garymrssn
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Start with the "Black Hole Information Paradox"

Extrapolate on the idea that information cannot be destroyed.

Imagine that all that information concentrated in a black hole some how becomes self aware.

Note: Stretch (or warp) the science as far as needed to make this happen but make it sound logical.

Will this entity be good or evil? I'm leaning toward evil. As in a threat to humanity.

The entity learns to manipulate itself and then its environment.

An astronomer notices something very unusual and becomes obsessed with finding out what it is.

Add a girlfriend, harem, sister, etc. to make it work on SOL. ;)

Let the adventure begin!

PS: If the only thing out of this you can use is the "girlfriend, harem, sister, etc." , forget the rest and write a story anyway.

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Ernest Bywater

need to come up with some reasonable looking way for the damn thing to get out of the hole or it matters not what it wants to do as it's no threat stuck in the hole.

Replies:   Dominions Son  garymrssn
Dominions Son

@Ernest Bywater

need to come up with some reasonable looking way for the damn thing to get out of the hole or it matters not what it wants to do as it's no threat stuck in the hole.


Hawking radiation.

If it can manipulate the black hole, it could perhaps create gravitational fluctuations that could cause the black hole to move in a controlled fashion or contain coded information.

If it can cause the black hole to move, that on it's own would make the entity a threat.

tppm

The first stretch of science being that information is indestructible. Mater/energy is indestructible (though it changes form), information is very nearly the definition of volatile.

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garymrssn

@tppm

From Wikipedia
"A fundamental postulate of quantum mechanics is that complete information about a system is encoded in its wave function up to when the wave function collapses. The evolution of the wave function is determined by a unitary operator, and unitarity implies that information is conserved in the quantum sense. This is the strictest form of determinism."
That is close enough for this kind of extrapolation. Some of the best SciFi stories I have read go out on weaker theory than this. It's how the writer puts it together that makes it work>

garymrssn
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@Ernest Bywater

In my imagination what I called the entity is the black hole. The black hole becomes self aware. It does not need to grow arms or legs to be dangerous. If it gained the ability to make its gravity stronger at one of its poles it could use that to gain the ability to change its location. To go exploring if you will.
Looking back, I think I just repeated what Dominions Son said. Oops

madnige

Read John Varley's 'The Black Hole Passes' in the (dead-tree) collection 'The Persistence of Vision'; it's built on this and even has enough sex to rate 'some sex', though only just. Other notable stories in that collection are 'Overdrawn an the Memory Bank' which was made into a TV-movie, and 'Air Raid' which inspired/grew into the film 'Millenium'.

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garymrssn

@madnige

Thanks madnige, I'll see how much is in my "print book" budget and give it a look.

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madnige
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@garymrssn

I must apologise, I was working from memory and Google; having the book in my hands now I can say with surity the story is actually 'Lolipop and the Tar Baby' which appears in a few collections, including 'The Barbie Murders'

If you Google for "Xanthia squirmed around in the control cabin" (a line from a couple of pages in) you'll find the Google Books page and a few others, which will let you see if you want to dig out a desd-tree version.

IIRC (because I can't find the correct dead-tree) the hole in 'The Black Hole Passes' is a dumb hole which disrupts comms between two listening stations, resulting in the destruction of both. When one caretaker rescues the other they hug (with suits on) and compare this to making love through an inner tube, being much better than the making love by postcard they were doing before...

[Another edit to add] Having remembered the name Treemonisha from TBHP and Googled, I can give a search term of "He walked back to the desk and sat down before the computer digest of the three trillion bits" (search for it all, including the quotes) which gives a single result where it seems someone posted it to a foreign forum, if you want to check that out before spending money.

Crumbly Writer

@garymrssn

Since I prefer 'hard' science fiction, this plot bothers me. In a black hole, matter would be compacted too tightly to allow for neural networks, which require space and electrical connectivity. Compact everything too much and you lose the ability to form thoughts (if you had it to begin with, which matter doesn't have in the first place).

It also sounds suspiciously like a "Gravity" copy (which posited a man-made black hole which was designed to pass messages backwards in time, using fairly weak science as the story premise).

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

In a black hole, matter would be compacted too tightly to allow for neural networks, which require space and electrical connectivity.


This is not strictly true. It would require energy flows across defined paths, but there really isn't any specific reason why that energy has to be electricity.

The other thing is that the laws of physics as we understand them break down at the event horizon. We have nothing but speculation as to what conditions might actually be like inside the event horizon. There is no hard science to cover what might or might not be inside the event horizon.

Space itself distorts drastically under the massive gravity of a black hole. It could even be bigger on the inside than it appears from the outside.

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garymrssn

@Dominions Son

I think this would have to rely more on what is not known about self-awareness without stepping too heavily on the toes of accepted theory. It would be more speculative while attempting to avoid becoming fantasy.

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