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awnlee jawking

I'm not a BDSM specialist so I lack the skills to write this but if there are any budding E L Jameses out there...

Caught by a sudden torrential downpour, an attractive and streetwise but impecunious young woman takes refuge in a bar. Utilising her flirting skills to the maximum, she elicits a steady supply of drinks from the patrons.

When the storm ends, the woman makes to leave but an imposing man intercepts her. "You've been bought a drink by every man here. Surely you wouldn't leave without letting me buy you one too?" Rather than make a scene, the woman reluctantly accepts.

She wakes up to find herself locked in a dungeon. "Now you're going to pay for all those free drinks," says the imposing man. "Our BDSM Club is going to use you as their plaything. Each member will have you for 45 minutes, after which you'll get a 15 minute recovery period before the next. You will suffer no penile penetration or permanent damage and you'll be released after everyone's had their turn."

During her ordeals the woman pleads for mercy, claiming that it's all a mistake and she's down there against her will. Since she doesn't use the 'safe word' the imposing man notified them, the BDSM inflictors assume it's all an act and treat her even more harshly.

Possible ordeals: whipping, electrostimulation, anal and bladder enemas, fisting, multiple vibrators, outsized dildos, weights hung off nipples and labia, tickling, hot and cold baths.

AJ

richardshagrin
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And I or the typical SOL reader would want to read this why? You might want to submit the story to another site that specializes in BDSM and readers like to read about women being tortured.

The advantage of BDSM in a typical SOL stroke or much sex story is the variety it provides with the tab a into slot B parts. How she is tied, the positions tied in, what sex toys, whips, canes, paddles, spanking types are used, what materials are used to tie her (handcuffs, twine, rope, chain, tape, plastic wrap, how she is dressed (corsets, rubber, other fetish wear strange shoes, etc.). You can go through numerous sex scenes and positions without position 101 being 100 with her fingers crossed. The other way to add variety is increase the number of participants. Doesn't have to be BDSM, but threesomes add more possibilities to BDSM scenes too. And then there are always Pet and Ponygirl stories.

Replies:   Perv Otaku
Perv Otaku

@richardshagrin

And I or the typical SOL reader would want to read this why? You might want to submit the story to another site that specializes in BDSM and readers like to read about women being tortured.

I don't know what the "typical reader" is, do you? A story might be good or bad on its own merits but I don't see any point in playing the "it belongs somewhere other than here" game.

richardshagrin
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Fortunately there aren't many stories based mostly on torture, male or female, on SOL. It certainly is possible a very well written story of torture might appeal to a sizeable number of SOL readers. However one based mostly on torture would appeal to BDSM Library readers and fit in there no matter how well or poorly it was written.

I am fairly certain, based on the very limited number of torture stories on SOL that it isn't something that would find a wide audience here, unless it were very well written. In the same way there are far more cheating wife stories on Literotica than here. They don't have to be superior there to gain an audience. IMHO on SOL they do.

On the other hand we get far more do-over stories on SOL. There is a saying, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect." For SOL we mostly get what we expect. Well written stories that readers like. The stories readers don't like get voted poorly, even though scores are for readers, bad scores tend to discourage downloads, and low downloads discourage authors. That may be why so many more male/male sex stories are on ASSTR than here.

Replies:   tppm  Perv Otaku
tppm

@richardshagrin

Who cares whether a story "might appeal to a sizable number of SOL readers"? I only care that it appeals to me. And some of my tastes are not highly popular. One way to get a very dull reading list is to only include what's highly popular.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@tppm

Perhaps the author of the story cares? He may want favorable comments, good feedback, and lots of downloads. Stories that don't appeal to sizable numbers of SOL readers aren't likely to get any of those. I don't want anyone to rule out posting stories on SOL. But there are stories unlikely to find their target audience here.

Dominion's Son

@richardshagrin

He may want favorable comments, good feedback, and lots of downloads. Stories that don't appeal to sizable numbers of SOL readers aren't likely to get any of those.


I'll have to disagree, I have two stories going with some fairly extreme content. Yes, I do get the occasional low score or negative comment for the reasons you mention,

However, I have taken the time to properly code my stories so that the people not interested can stay away and those interested in them can find them. As a result, the vast majority of the individual votes are from people who are looking for what I am writing.

The few who are too dumb to pay attention to the story codes and read them anyway then insist on voting it down are too small in number to significantly drag down my scores.

I've used bot ASSTR and BDSM Library as a reader. I have to say, SOL provides much better tools for readers interested in specific types of stories to find them.

I my opinion, a small niche story is more likely to find readers and get positive/constructive feedback here than on either ASSTR or BDSM Library.

awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

I posted my suggestion here because there's a very convenient thread labelled 'Story Ideas'. If anyone picks up the suggestion, it would be nice if the finished story were published on SOL so I could see how it turns out, but I don't see a way to force the author to do that if they instead choose a specialist BDSM site.

AJ

Daydreamz

Why doesn't she use the safe word? Sounds randomly psychopathic to me, I gotta say.

Replies:   ustourist
ustourist

@Daydreamz

In the original posting the implication is that the males were told she had a safe word, but she wasn't told of it, so couldn't use it.
Not the sort of story I would read though.

Replies:   Daydreamz
Daydreamz

@ustourist

Yeah I know what you mean, but then the question is still why, but applies to the imposing man. So it lacks a premise, really.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Daydreamz

If I understand how the story ideas topic works (and that is not always correct) the author who picks up the idea is responsible for taking the idea and turning into something that makes sense, or at least entertains. If they were complete stories already, they could be posted rather than offered as suggestions.

One of the many tasks of the author is to provide motives for what his characters do, or at least use stereotypes readers recognize doing things that fit those characters. (Villains tie damsels in distress to railroad tracks with a train approaching, foreclose mortgagees on poor widows, and engage in all kinds of chicanery because they are villains, no other explicit motivation required.)

Replies:   Daydreamz
Daydreamz

@richardshagrin

The author is responsible for everything, in the end. This isn't about the completeness of the story so much as discussing the merits of the idea. It's just the converse of saying 'great idea' to point out that without a premise for the action then the torture is gratuitous. That's part of a story idea.

Someone can write gratuitous torture if they want, obviously, or a cartoon episode, and everyone else can think what they like about it and why the author wrote it. Just - as an idea, IMO it has this flaw, is all. It appears to have a premise, in the safe word, but it doesn't really.

Perv Otaku

@richardshagrin

I am fairly certain, based on the very limited number of torture stories on SOL that it isn't something that would find a wide audience here, unless it were very well written. In the same way there are far more cheating wife stories on Literotica than here. They don't have to be superior there to gain an audience. IMHO on SOL they do.

On the other hand we get far more do-over stories on SOL. There is a saying, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect." For SOL we mostly get what we expect. Well written stories that readers like. The stories readers don't like get voted poorly, even though scores are for readers, bad scores tend to discourage downloads, and low downloads discourage authors. That may be why so many more male/male sex stories are on ASSTR than here.


Well there's correlation and then there's causation. In a marketplace you can say a certain genre must not be popular because publishers aren't paying many authors for that type of story. On a site like this, a lack of a certain genre just means nobody's posting them, there's no real way to know if readers would want them or not.

On the flip side, one could theorize that a certain genre propagates on a given site because a handful of such stories got a good reception there, and so those authors began focusing their efforts on that site only, and fans of that genre that then started writing it also stuck to just the one site. It becomes mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy that the one genre only works at the one site.

Personally I think it's foolish to worry about which is a good place or a bad place to post a story. If posting is free and the story doesn't break the local rules, all places are good places.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Perv Otaku

It becomes mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy that the one genre only works at the one site.


I disagree with that statement.

Readers on SOL score stories they don't like low even if it's a good story. That motivates (negatively) authors who would write those kinds of stories not to write them (or at least post them on SOL).

I always thought that would cause the collection of stories on SOL to be the same after a while. And that's a shame.

The story codes indicate what the story is about. If someone doesn't like MM stories, don't read them (and surely don't score them when you don't read them). So it's "if I post this I'm going to get low scores so I won't post this." That's not a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's cause and effect.

richardshagrin

Devil's advocate here. I am under the impression someone on the SOL site reads every submission. They may just be scanning for underage sexual activity that would get the site banned or fined or the administrator jailed, but someone has to go through every story. That means that if a very large number of new stories were submitted, some of them would be delayed. It also means there isn't room for another 37,500 stories for a considerable period. Everything goes smoothly here because we have enough authors adding new stories to keep everyone who frequents the site interested. Well, maybe not everyone, as was pointed out there aren't many stories that don't get downloads and/or good scores because of subject matter. I am as guilty as anyone else. I don't read stories about vampires or zombies. Most of the time I can suspend disbelief but some subjects just are ridiculous. To me, others disagree.

I let a little thread drift stop me making whatever point I had. I think the specialization of what kind of stories are on which site are not just cause and effect. Lets pick on "Fine Stories". A good, no, great site. It gets fewer stories and viewers than SOL because its "suitable for children to read" rationale filters out some of the kinds of stories welcome on SOL. Not a bad thing, but I only visit Fine Stories after I have scoped out SOL. I expect to find a lot more new stories here than any of the other sites I look at, and I look at almost all the sites I know that are free. Not counting places like Amazon where the site is free but almost all of the stories aren't.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@richardshagrin

Lazeez can give a definitive answer to your question on reading the stories. I do know when a story is submitted it is reviewed by a moderator before it's posted, each and every part / chapter posted. However, I suspect it's done via a script looking for key words or phrases so they can save time. If someone reports a story as being outside the rules a moderator will check it more closely and probably does read the story then.

As to story numbers, when a site starts up it takes a while for people to notice it and get involved, the types of restrictions on a site will affect how long that process takes. More people look for stories with sex to those who look for stories without sex, so Fine Stories will take a lot longer to build up it's readership and author posting. SOL has 37,500 stories on it of which 3,704 (just under 10%) are No Sex (I did a Category Search to find that out) while FS has just on 800 stories. In theory every No Sex story at SOL can be posted on FS, but it's up to the author to post it on the site, since it has to go through two submission processes (which are the same system with some code changes) it's extra work for the authors. Some of us don't mind the extra work, while some don't want to do it.

I post on SOL and FS, and I regular get emails from FS readers, and I know of two FS readers who've bought every book I've got for sale on Lulu, so I do see an advantage in being on both sites, but not all authors do.

I like being able to tell people they can read my stories on FS while at work because it's a clean site. I tell people about SOL and tell them it is a listed sex site and can get you into trouble if viewed at work with some employers. Thus some readers register with both.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Ernest Bywater

SOL has 37,500 stories on it of which 3,704 (just under 10%) are No Sex (I did a Category Search to find that out)


How'd you do that? The search engine told me I had to select at least one category when I checked the "no sex" sex content field.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater
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@Switch Blayde


How'd you do that? The search engine told me I had to select at least one category when I checked the "no sex" sex content field.


Category Search using the Complex Form and check the minus or - box for Pedophilia along with the No Sex category at the bottom - - I very much doubt you'll get anyone writing a story that justifies being tagged Pedophilia as well as No Sex.

Switch Blayde
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@Ernest Bywater


I very much doubt you'll get anyone writing a story that justifies being tagged Pedophilia as well as No Sex


The novel Lolita would be no sex and pedophilia.

So I checked the minus for "Novel-Pocketbook" and got 3710 no-sex stories. That should be an accurate number since the "Novel-Pocketbooks" are the old porn novels.

I double checked it by selecting "no sex" AND "Novel-Pocketbook" and got zero matches.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Switch Blayde

@Ernest Bywater

I very much doubt you'll get anyone writing a story that justifies being tagged Pedophilia as well as No Sex.


There are 6 of them on SOL.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

But I checked the minus for "Novel-Pocketbook" and got 3710 no-sex stories. That should be an accurate number since the "Novel-Pocketbooks" are the old porn novels.

I double checked it by selecting "no sex" AND "Novel-Pocketbook" and got zero matches.


Interesting, I did it with Fiction and removing Fiction. Adding the two results together, I get 3659 which matches what I get if I do no sex removing pedo.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Dominions Son

Interesting, I did it with Fiction and removing Fiction. Adding the two results together, I get 3659 which matches what I get if I do no sex removing pedo.


I figured out why my result doesn't match. I forgot I had a category exclusion set up. Once I checked override category exclusions My results match Switch Blayde's

Ernest Bywater

@Switch Blayde

I wonder how the hell they manage that one? Oh well, live and learn.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Ernest Bywater

I wonder how the hell they manage that one? Oh well, live and learn.


Easy. A story about a pedophile without actual sex.

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