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jhncanson

Are there any mind control stories wherein the primary focus isn't about the mc being stupid and using such a wonderful gift only to chase skirts?

I mean, if i were given such powers, i'd set up a network of people whom are loyal to me and create a web in the area i am living in and claim it my territory. Girls comes after that.

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demonmaster62

No dude, the chicks always come first!

Sorry,couldn't help myself.

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jhncanson

@demonmaster62

It could get very repetitive real fast. Now matter how pretty or god like the next conquer will be, there would be no thrill.

And i don't know about this one, but i seem to have noticed a thing going on with mc stories, whilst the first few chapters will be our protagonist chasing skirts and enslaving women, he unknowingly attracts an enemy.

And everything goes downhill pretty fast, without plot armor, i'm pretty sure most mind control protagonists would be long dead.

docholladay

Chasing skirts would be almost an automatic reaction at first. Then they would become scared the government would find out about them. That leads to hiding their abilities as much as possible while using them. In at least one story the MC doesn't start out chasing women as such.

Barneyr has at least one story where the MC doesn't start out chasing skirts.

The link is: http://storiesonline.net/s/61732/whats-all-the-fuss-about

There is a follow up story as well. There is a link to another of his stories as well although its possible to skip it without a major problem. You still might want to read: http://storiesonline.net/s/60508/bobs-great-adventure

Of course I consider them a good read either way. Just the references made in "Whats all the Fuss About" as well as the follow-up of http://storiesonline.net/s/68727/second-semester-working-for-a-living
Makes a lot more sense if Bob's Great Adventure is read first.

Dominions Son
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@jhncanson


I mean, if i were given such powers, i'd set up a network of people whom are loyal to me and create a web in the area i am living in and claim it my territory. Girls comes after that.


No, after that, comes the government and men with guns.

Chasing tail lets you practice while staying off the radar. Try to control territory and you get the government's attention real fast.

Then you start learning interesting things like is your mind control range greater or lesser than the range of a sniper rifle, an air to surface missile, or a cruise missile.

If you are a lone mind controller vs the army and you don't have more up your sleeve than mind control, the army will win every time.

madnige

@jhncanson

... set up a network of people whom are loyal to me and create a web in the area i am living in and claim it my territory. Girls comes after that.


hermit's 'Jake Fielding' stories
http://storiesonline.net/series/657/jake-fielding-stories
are all 'Some sex', not too surprising as the main caracter isn't in High School yet - but he is empire building and protecting his resources and allies.

tppm

@jhncanson

If there are, you'll probably have to look in "mainstream" SF. Here, of course, the sex will come first.

And even in published dead tree books the sex, albit a bit less explicitly tends to come fairly early.

It's Time Stop, rather than Mind Control, but in John D. McDonald's "The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything", one of the first things our hero does is take the bikinis off girls on the local beach.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

No, after that, comes the government and men with guns.

Chasing tail lets you practice while staying off the radar. Try to control territory and you get the government's attention real fast.

Then you start learning interesting things like is your mind control range greater or lesser than the range of a sniper rifle, an air to surface missile, or a cruise missile.

That's why the 2nd step (after testing your abilities on the local girls) is finding someone with long-range telekinesis, to divert the damn missiles!

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Dominions Son
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@Crumbly Writer


That's why the 2nd step (after testing your abilities on the local girls) is finding someone with long-range telekinesis, to divert the damn missiles!


It's a Kobiashi Maru scenario.

Stop a missile the army shoots ten more. Stop 10 they shoot 100.

Eventually, the army starts throwing nukes.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Eventually, the army starts throwing nukes.

Which doesn't help the first girl[s] much!

jhncanson

@Dominions Son

You'd have to be real subtle now to get the attention of the government.

You could start by enslaving normal people in highschool, making them focused on their studies so they land good jobs in the future that is advantageous for you.

Chasing skirts would more likely get you attention as beauties just dont suddenly change their mind on certain people, that just doesnt happen.

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jhncanson

@Dominions Son

It's not like you would declare war with government.

My ideal story would be that the protagonist would experiment on a single person subtly, or perhaps an animal.

The next step would be to find special people within the crowd, assuming im a highschool student, i'd find promising students or the average ones and have their minds become more focused and have them fixate on a specific field to pursue that would give you leverage in the future.

The next step would be securing your turf, alot of investigating would occur. You could start with the highschool bullies.

I fail to see how the government could detect you, there are alot of other threats the government diverting their attention to, unless ofcourse you enslaved the top beauties of your school then ofcourse people would be suspicious.

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demonmaster62
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call it a human failing, or whatever you like. I contend that the moment that one would come into contact with anything that would allow them to have power over other's minds, or just power over them period, the first thought it will always be, how can this get me laid? The second thought (once the carnel desire is satisfied.) is how can I profit off of this?

Sorry folks, that is human nature, it has been from the beginning of time. Women tend to think a little differently, but only a little. Their first desire is not going to be carnel, it is going to be security. How can this make me secure in my position, or make my family secure.

It once put foraward in a book, and I agree whole heartily; The male is geared toward the carnal and Death, and the female is geared toward security and life, in what ever form those two things take.

Again, human nature. It will NEVER change. We will not evolve out of that, no matter what your belief, or lack thereof, is.

Just a personal opinion, based on much observation, and my own desires.

As usual, YMMV. But it won't vary much.

Dominions Son

@jhncanson

It's not like you would declare war with government.


As soon as you start securing turf how do you stop the government from declaring war on you.

I fail to see how the government could detect you


Because there is so much paperwork/red-tape attached to just about everything these days. As soon as you mess with a government bureaucrat, no matter how low level, to get something done it will create irregularities in the required paperwork which will not go unnoticed.

Mess with the government and the government will mess back.

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Dominions Son

@jhncanson

Chasing skirts would more likely get you attention as beauties just dont suddenly change their mind on certain people, that just doesnt happen.


People would notice. The government wouldn't care as long as you are not messing with government functions.

richardshagrin

@Dominions Son

Live too well and the IRS will audit your taxes. They got Capone that way. Live too high on the hog, you need a good tax accountant to file paperwork that supports your lifestyle.

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Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

Live too high on the hog, you need a good tax accountant to file paperwork that supports your lifestyle.


Even if you report the income, if you can't properly document the source, they will still get you eventually. Faking a complete proper paper trail is harder than most people think.

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docholladay

@Dominions Son

Even if you report the income, if you can't properly document the source, they will still get you eventually. Faking a complete proper paper trail is harder than most people think.


That's one of the major reasons barter is becoming so popular among some groups. With a barter or trade money never actually changes hands. I know my brother did a huge amount of business and other transactions that way. In fact a major portion of the costs of his house were covered that way.

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Dominions Son
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@docholladay


That's one of the major reasons barter is becoming so popular among some groups.


No that's actually a pitfall for barter. You have things you didn't buy in recorded sales and you don't have documentation of the income you bought them with. If the IRS notices and comes knocking on your door, you are shit out of luck.

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richardshagrin

@Dominions Son

It may not be appropriate to use SOL as something unfortunate on this site. Of course it is in Canada so the IRS carries very little weight, there. So if you are SOL don't worry about the IRS knocking. There is some Canadian Revenue Service, now them you have to be careful about.

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Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

It may not be appropriate to use SOL as something unfortunate on this site.


You have a point there.

tppm
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@jhncanson


I fail to see how the government could detect you, there are a lot of other threats the government diverting their attention to, unless of course you enslaved the top beauties of your school then of course people would be suspicious.


If Mind Control exists in the world, you aren't the only MC, and if you aren't the only MC, some work for the government (or, secretly, are the government), and if some work for the government (and more-so if they are the government) they're on the lookout for other MCs, either as rivals or to recruit.

@demonmaster62


Again, human nature. It will NEVER change. We will not evolve out of that, no matter what your belief, or lack thereof, is.


And if we do evolve out of it, the human race will soon cease to exist. The worst thing for the survival of a sexual species is for it to loose its sex drive.

El_Sol

@jhncanson

You are asking a high school male to NOT think with his dick first.

Let me repeat it -- a sixteen year old heterosexual male NOT thinking with his dick when he has the ability to make ANY girl drop trou.

I simply can't suspend that much disbelief.

This would fall under the MC pitfall of a teenage male thinking like a sixty year old man instead of an evolutionary machine designed to plug into any available hole.

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Dominions Son

@El_Sol

I simply can't suspend that much disbelief.


+10

jhncanson

@El_Sol

Not every teen age male has dick for brains you know.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@jhncanson

Not every teen age male has dick for brains you know.


God gave men two heads, and just enough blood to use one of them at a time.

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Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

God gave men two heads, and just enough blood to use one of them at a time.

Then what accounts for their not using either for significant portions of their lives? Just watch some of those insipid skateboarding or free-jumping videos so prevalent on the internet.

Then again, the high incidence of cat videos demonstrates the other sex isn't doing much better in that department!

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Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Then what accounts for their not using either for significant portions of their lives? Just watch some of those insipid skateboarding or free-jumping videos so prevalent on the internet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjnLLw5BTmc

The nothing box.

tppm

@Crumbly Writer

Then what accounts for their not using either for significant portions of their lives? Just watch some of those insipid skateboarding or free-jumping videos so prevalent on the internet.


They're trying to impress either potential partners or potential rivals. Both involve thinking with the little head.

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Not_a_ID

@tppm

They're trying to impress either potential partners or potential rivals. Both involve thinking with the little head.


..or they're adrenaline junkies. But yeah, there is a baser evolutionary drive there, on one level it's a form of intimidation toward rivals in the form of "I can do this, and you stand no chance of being able to compete against me on this field."

While also impressing the other gender with demonstrations of feats of strength and coordination, or simply daring that few would dare to match. Which would be good indicators as to the physical capabilities of their offspring.

Hey, they might be dumb as a rock, but what they can do to or with those rocks can be amazing in other ways.

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Crumbly Writer

@Not_a_ID

While also impressing the other gender with demonstrations of feats of strength and coordination, or simply daring that few would dare to match. Which would be good indicators as to the physical capabilities of their offspring.

I'm still astounded that any woman is impressed by such events. I did a lot of skateboarding as a kid, and no girl ever gave it half-a-shit. They don't do stupid things to impress a girl, though they convinced it will convince some unidentified girl at some point in the future.

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Not_a_ID

@Crumbly Writer

I'm still astounded that any woman is impressed by such events. I did a lot of skateboarding as a kid, and no girl ever gave it half-a-shit. They don't do stupid things to impress a girl, though they convinced it will convince some unidentified girl at some point in the future.


For the vast majority, agreed. Of course, I think most of us in here had out teen years at a time that predates Extreme Sports becoming a thing that drew significant media attention. Of course, then it might be the fame aspect more than the "mad skills" that draws them in at that point.

madnige
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@jhncanson


Are there any mind control stories wherein the primary focus isn't about the mc being stupid and using such a wonderful gift only to chase skirts?


I've just finished (re)reading Artie's 'Control Loop Stability'

http://stuff.greenberg.org/artie/loopstab.html which is MC (mind control) where the mc (main character) is using it primarily to build loyalty, although getting some skirt from it is a side benefit.

This is one of the earliest erotic tales I found (on ASSTR at that time), oddly enough when I was searching for some info on - guess what - control loop stability. Also from Artie that I found/noticed around the same time because it dealt with PIC microprocessors and user interfaces (which I was dealing with at that time) is 'User Centered Design' http://stuff.greenberg.org/artie/usercenterdesign.html and its paired tale 'Touch Control'. No MC in the latter two, just very nerdy microelectronics. If you're another microelectronerd like me, you might also like his 'EMP' and 'Landlord'. A lot of Artie's stories feature MC, mostly by hypnosis, but no read harem building.

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