Forum: Author Hangout

Go on with the show for Ethel Merman, William Tell Overture for fans of the Lone Ranger, and dictators for potatoes (tators) named Dick.

Damn! What a coincidence. My girlfriend says BOB is her best friend!

For myself, I'd still go with separate resorts/islands (with a physical separation) just so one resort (say Incest Island) remains

I agree.

I'd also include the Puppy Pound (for furries)

Could be for bestiality or BDSM pet play (where the submissive takes on the role of an annimal)

R/L Furry (as opposed to the artwork) is a form of cosplay (generally involves anthropomorphic animals, where as BDSM pet play usually restricts the sub to things an animal could normally do) covers a broad spectrum of animal types. Also from what I have read, very very few furry events are species specific. I would go with a less species specific name for the furry resort, Maybe something along the lines of Animal Kingdom (Zootopia being already taken).

Stables (for ponies)

For BDSM type pony girl type play or besiality involving horses, or were you thinking horse type furries, in which case, see my prior comment.

Maybe, The Petting Zoo for general (non BDSM involved) bestiality. I suggest this, because one attraction of such a resort, other than meeting like minded people would be the opportunity to try different kinds of animals, especially ones harder to acquire for personal use.

Potentially even predator species conditioned or genetically modified to see humans as sex rather than prey.

The Castle (or what ever the BDSM resort is called) should have facilities/events for other fetishes such as bestiality and pet play that get mixed in with and used in a BDSM context. I'm think here specifically of facilities like what is suggested above for the bestiality park + dog/horse/cat show style events for pet type subs.

I'd actually thought of "Puppy Pound" as being a broad category (including all animal categories, real or imagined). Perhaps a better name would be "Peter's Pet Shop", where all the tiny peters come out to play!

Again, most furries would probably be squicked by real bestiality which is why I suggest some separation.

"The Kennel" works for a K9 bestiality facility. "The
Barn" works for a facility featuring livestock. My idea for the "The Petting Zoo" covers a broader range of animal species including ones that most people will only ever see in a zoo.

If it's sci-fi, you can make the animals do whatever you want (with the limits of your universe), but if it's a romantic/sexual fantasy, I'd dial it back to avoid unbelievable acts by the animals and the threat of legal action if a participant gets mauled.

People have been killed in real life trying to have sex with horses, due to rupturing and tearing of internal organs. That doesn't seem to put much of a damper on human/horse bestiality porn for the niche that looks for that sort of thing.

As long as it's just a matter of somewhat unnatural sexual behavior towards humans without funky anatomy or unnatural intelligence, I don't see it as that much of an issue.

My Niece went to Thailand and petted a tiger and spent time riding an elephant. I saw pictures. About ten years ago my wife went to Africa and petted a leopard. Again there are pictures to prove it. I strongly suspect the people who arranged it did it for profit. Of course the legal situation is different outside the first world.

I have also heard of people swimming with dolphins and sometimes scuba diving or snorkeling in waters with sharks or other dangerous/poisonous sealife. Jellyfish can be hazardous while swimming in the ocean, US beaches allow swimming.

I have also heard of people swimming with dolphins and sometimes scuba diving or snorkeling in waters with sharks or other dangerous/poisonous sealife. Jellyfish can be hazardous while swimming in the ocean, US beaches allow swimming.

As do European countries. Where I was brought up a popular tourist sandy beach had weaver fish in six inches of water close to where we fished for conger all the time. Both are very very nasty if you get on the wrong "foot". Others to be afraid of there are deep sea crabs with shells up to a foot across, lobsters, Portuguese Men of War (that's a hospital jobbie) as are the onshore adders.
Life is full of unavoidable dangers as even Hearst discovered.

Many animals are neutered, because they're unpredictable over overly aggressive when not spade

That would be spayed. Spayed only applies to female animals and is rarely done for animals other than cats and dogs.

Male cattle (bulls) are converted to steers frequently. The result is sometimes called rocky mountain oysters. Stallions are turned to geldings to be easier to control. Excess males are often converted to food. A flock of hens usually only need one rooster. Humans in the more distant past castrated males. Eunuchs were used in harems so they wouldn't impregnate the wives and concubines of sultans. Also castrati were used in choirs as singers since their voices didn't change as they matured.

Male cattle (bulls) are converted to steers frequently. The result is sometimes called rocky mountain oysters. Stallions are turned to geldings to be easier to control.

Yes, castrating male animals is done in almost all domesticated species to control breading.

However, spaying females is only generally done (there are a few individual (not species) exceptions) in cats and dogs. This is because female cats and dogs have a much higher risk of of mammary or cervical/uterine cancer than other domestic species.

I discovered some disturbing facts about uncastrated bores. Few farmers are willing to deal with them, so a few rangers specialize in bores, spending much of their time dealing with just them.

That's interesting. I don't think there is any other species like that. I wonder where it comes from, if it's a result of too much human meddling in their gene pool.

From what I've read/seen on TV programs on the feral hog problem, feral hogs travel in family groups with mixed genders, so I would think free breeding at least puts a damper on that trait.

But there are some single old boars out on their own because they're just too ornery to get on with anyone or anything.

It might not just be age. There might be a recessive trait that will still show up occasionally in the free breeding feral hogs that has become endemic in the captive bred population. Feral hogs are generally smaller and hairier than free breeding feral hogs, to a genetic trait is not that far fetched.

What I'm going on is the various reports and surveys on wild and feral pigs which show the majority are family groups that will only cause trouble and attack when they or the young are threatened, and the majority of hostile wild pigs are males living outside the family groups, and most are older animals.

They may only attack people when threatened, but from what I have read, they do cause a lot of property damage.

so do any group of animals while searching for food

No, actually, most don't do that kind of damage. As for kangaroos, we don't have roving packs (or is it herds) of kangaroos in the US, we do have a lot of feral hogs in the south western part of the country.

I thought the razorbacks were in Arkansas, not Texas and further west. Perhaps our ideas of the south western part of the country are different. Feral hogs and desert are not often observed together.

Feral hogs and desert are not often observed together.

Not true. Though, I was wrong. The feral hog problem extends across the entire southern US from coast to coast.

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It might not just be age. There might be a recessive trait that will still show up occasionally in the free breeding feral hogs that has become endemic in the captive bred population. Feral hogs are generally smaller and hairier than free breeding feral hogs, to a genetic trait is not that far fetched.

Local thought is that pigs go feral in a single generation - quicker than other animal species. I don't know about tame pigs but wild boar go to 50kg of muscle commonly and anything can set them off. Approaching a family group is asking for trouble. Because of the danger local licencing law requires a certain number (I think eight) of qualified armed hunters in any wild boar hunt

Approaching a family group is asking for trouble.

Yes, but that is nothing like the indiscriminate aggression that CW was describing as being a problem in domestic boars. If the feral hogs were that aggressive, you couldn't have mature boars in a family group because they would be constantly attacking the other hogs.

...disturbing facts about uncastrated bores.

Yes, there are too many boring people as it is. Help stop them from breeding! ;)

It's also done to humans, where it's called radical hysterectomy (removal of uterus, Fallopian tubes, and ovaries, leaving only the vulva and vagina).

It's also done to humans, where it's called radical hysterectomy (removal of uterus, Fallopian tubes, and ovaries, leaving only the vulva and vagina).

True, but very rarely as a preventative measure.

They generally prefer to spay dogs and cats before their first heat if they aren't going to be bred. Mammary cancer risk increases significantly the more estrus cycles the animal goes through before being spayed.

True, but very rarely as a preventative measure.

Sounds like a good way to shut down welfare baby factories.

Sounds like a good way to shut down welfare baby factories.

Many politicians thought so too, till some guy in Germany gave eugenics a bad name.

Many politicians thought so too, till some guy in Germany gave eugenics a bad name.

Sigmund Freud?

I think he was from Austria.

You can also have the animals declawed and their fangs filed down, just don't let word get out, as those actions are frowned on by most animal rights organizations.

There is also simple Pavlovian conditioning to associate humans with sex rather than food or danger. If sex with animals were legal, there is no reason that this couldn't be done within existing technology.

Many animals are neutered, because they're unpredictable over overly aggressive

That aggression is generally focused on those seen as sexual rivals. So once conditioned to see humans as sex, a male animal would be far more of a threat to a human male than a human female.

Yes, some animal's natural mating practices would be too rough for humans and could cause sever injuries, but we've already discounted that in the case of horses.

Some of those threats could be dealt with using existing technology on the human end. For example Kevlar body suits. Wouldn't be enough if the animal was trying to kill you, but would potentially be enough for sex.

Visitors with those ambitions will need to unharness and remove tail and bit and persuade the pony to play. Then harnessing and preparing the pony again will take some knowledge and time. I wouldn't count on being welcomed in that activity. Of course authors get to make decisions that fit their plot. Unless there is a Pony stable, racetrack and an author who recruits (enslaves) ponygirls and handles their sub area of the park. Then you need his (or her, possibly) permission. I suggest approaching other passengers, or ones arriving at your subpark before they are processed. Potential sex partners once they get in your area might well be interested before getting registered.

Feral pigs (not of domestic stock), tend to be smaller and don't have the same unlimited growth.

Feral pigs come from domestic stock by definition. That's what Feral means, domesticated animals that have reverted to a wild state. If they weren't from domestic stock, they would just be wild pigs. That's why you never hear tigers, lynx, bobcats or cougars being referred to as feral cats, because they were never domesticated.

In that case, I'm not sure about the size discrepancies.

The feral pigs are actually a mix of several different breeds of domestic pigs. The size discrepancy can be explained by free breeding vs controlled breeding.

Domestic dogs come in all sizes from a couple of pounds to a couple hundred pounds depending on breed. However, free breeding feral domestic dogs world wide all look about the same no matter what breeds initially went into forming the feral population: med sized (around 20-30 pounds), short fur, curly tail.

Don't forget, regardless of breed all domestic dogs are considered a single species. The same is true for domestic pigs from Vietnamese Pot Belly (relatively small) to whatever breed the US pork industry currently favors (massive).

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This also holds true for feral cats. A free breeding population will lose all distinctive breed characteristics in just a couple of generations.

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The reason for this is simple. The genes that control the well known traits of iconic breeds turn out to be recessive in a free breeding population.

I've never heard of 800# or heavier feral pigs.

Feral pigs up to 1000 # have been taken by hunters and confirmed, although these specimens usually turn out to be a first gen mix of full domestic and feral hogs. Google Hogzilla.

Feral pigs (not of domestic stock), tend to be smaller and don't have the same unlimited growth.

Feral pigs come from domestic stock by definition. That's what Feral means, domesticated animals that have reverted to a wild state. If they weren't from domestic stock, they would just be wild pigs. That's why you never hear tigers, lynx, bobcats or cougars being referred to as feral cats, because they were never domesticated.

Some of our wild boar (sanglier) have tusks which I have never heard of in domesticated pigs. Also, around here, 50kg is a good weight for a wild boar. Those I have seen (and I have them on this farm) are all much smaller than UK domesticated,bred and raised pigs I have seen.

I am starting to wonder whether wild boar in different areas come from different porcine stock which could account for regional differences.

Speaking of thread drift ... for those of you into time-travel or do-over stories, pork used to be the staple food, simply because if properly prepared, it could be shipped across the country without perishing.

A cured whole ham, uncut, will keep for up to a year without being refrigerated. The quality will degrade as the meat dries out, especially towards the outside, but it will still be safe to eat.

Correct, and many breeds have tusks, it's just the breeds used for domestic breeding are ones without tusks.

US feral hogs also have tusks, though on the small side compared to true Wild hogs from Europe and Asia.

The no tusks thing is likely another one of those things that is likely a normally recessive trait that is only maintainable by controlled breeding and will vanish even from domestic stock if they are allowed to breed freely.

I am starting to wonder whether wild boar in different areas come from different porcine stock which could account for regional differences.

Possible, but then the UK and Europe also have native true wild hogs. North America does not, we only have feral hogs.

How did we go from story ideas for a Natural Love Resort to discussing the intricacies of wild pigs?

Look in the damn mirror. You're the one who objected to including exotic animals and you're the one who brought up the issue of the indiscriminate aggressiveness in domestic boars.