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Didn't someone mention you can't publish incest stories?

Crumbly Writer

Saw this today featured on Smashwords (dealing with underaged incest pornography). Guess a lot of people missed the memo about what's 'allowed' by the various self-publishing firms.

Daddy's Little Harem: Becky by Hillary Cox
Price: $3.99 USD. Words: 2,740. Language: English. Published: January 27, 2016 by Dirty Dark Erotica. Categories: Fiction " Erotica " General, Fiction " Erotica " BDSM

With Katie carrying my child and both my wives expecting, too, our precocious daughter Becky had finally come of age. Becky had always been a troublemaker. She'd often argued with her siblings and refused to do her chores. I was looking forward to teaching our little rebel how to behave, and before long she'd be the obedient little lady she was born and bred to be.

I must say, it's hard to compete with books under 3,000 words selling for $3.99. Porn sells, and there's no sense adding any more than the five minutes it takes to jerk off (no offense, you local pornographers, but it's disconcerting to those of us writing full-sized novels).

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde
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@Crumbly Writer

Just because he puts it up for sale doesn't mean he makes any sales. $3.99 for a 2,740 word story is insane.

And, to my knowledge, incest isn't allowed.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer  tppm
Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

And, to my knowledge, incest isn't allowed.

That's my point. Out of the 'latest offerings' listed, a large amount featured incest themes, several featuring underaged characters (under 18, but not children). Publishing sites might not 'allow' incest, but that doesn't mean they police their policy. As long as no one complains, you're safe. If they do, and the site drops the book, you simply relist it, or if you get dropped you simply open a new account using a new email address.

By the way, the majority of books on this one page list were between 2,000 to 7,000 words, averaging $2.99 each. Only a couple were greater than the standard 60,000 word limit for 'novel sized' books.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Only a couple were greater than the standard 60,000 word limit for 'novel sized' books.


I question the usage of limit in this context. I have certainly seen dead tree novels published be the traditional publishing houses that are larger than that. "Battlefield Earth" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Earth_%28novel%29 is 1094 pages.

And at 250-300 words per page ( http://www.megcabot.com/about-meg-cabot/frequently-asked-questions-getting-published/ ) that's 250-300K words.

Switch Blayde

@Dominions Son


I question the usage of limit in this context.


I believe Crumbly meant minimum size to be considered a novel (vs., say, a shorter novella).

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

Ah, that would make sense.

Crumbly Writer
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@Dominions Son


I question the usage of limit in this context. I have certainly seen dead tree novels published be the traditional publishing houses that are larger than that. "Battlefield Earth" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Earth_%28novel%29 is 1094 pages.


I wasn't suggesting that as a maximum book size, but more of a lower limit (30,000 words is considered the size of a novelette).

2,700 words barely qualifies as a short story!

tppm
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@Switch Blayde

The rule cited refers to underage incest. In the quoted segment the MC is looking forward to his daughter coming of age so he can break her in, that's not UNDERAGE incest.

As for selling it for $4, if that's all she can get for it, or if she can get that much for it, so be it, let the market set the price.

@Dominions Son

60,000 words would be the minimum number of words to be a novel

Switch Blayde
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@tppm

The rule cited refers to underage incest.


I don't know about Smashwords, but on Amazon incest is not allowed, no matter what the age, and even step-children and in-laws are considered incest and not allowed.

If I remember right, the 3 no-nos on Amazon are incest, underage sex, and bestiality.

I would have self-published "New Society, New Rules" except it has incest and underage sex.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach

@Switch Blayde

If I remember right, the 3 no-nos on Amazon are incest, underage sex, and bestiality.


Happily (or not), Amazon-as well as Lulu and iBooks-are not consistent in their policy. Even Lulu, which sells incest but says no to underage sex, doesn't always enforce the under-18 rule.

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Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@tppm

The rule cited refers to underage incest. In the quoted segment the MC is looking forward to his daughter coming of age so he can break her in, that's not UNDERAGE incest.

Not having read the book, I'd imagine that means 16, rather than the 18 or 21 insisted by the majority of distributors that Amazon and the other sites depend on. Even if it's 18, it's still in clear violation of Amazon and Koko's rules (one of smashword's distributors). I suspect it's more 'what you can get away with', rather than what the site supports. It's easier to sell what you can, even if you lose money from purchased books when they're eventually banned.

Again, it's not that I object to that type of book. I don't believe in any kind of censorship, but like the 2,700 word book, it's discouraging to be competing against people playing by a completely different set of rules than the rest of us.

Crumbly Writer

@Bondi Beach

Happily (or not), Amazon-as well as Lulu and iBooks-are not consistent in their policy. Even Lulu, which sells incest but says no to underage sex, doesn't always enforce the under-18 rule.

Without reading each of the 1,000 new books supposedly published every hour by Amazon, there's really nothing they can do to police the works. It's set up on an honor system, where they only take action when they receive a complaint from an authorized purchase. A few sites try to impose an automated check, but aside from searching for the words "incest" and "tween", they're unlikely to uncover the majority of 'offensive' texts, as well as catching many legitimate books.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

there's really nothing they can do


They can cancel your account which affects your other "legal" books.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

They can cancel your account which affects your other "legal" books.


First they have to catch you cheating, which if no one actively complains is next to impossible.

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