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Cornball fun and comically bad writing

Bondi Beach

From an NYT review of Shetani's Sister, by Iceberg Slim (real name: Robert Beck):

"But there is a fine line between cornball fun and comically bad writing. A pimp refers to his bedroom as a "mirrored ho-trap." One of his favorite hookers whispers in his ear, "Sweet Master, can I have some bye-bye candy?" He then sucks "scarlet skin berries on her throat" and calls her a "one-track-minded freak-dog bitch" before she unzips his fly and unleashes his 'wombstroker.'

"Can you make a case for Slim as a revolutionary who wrote wild, risky, racially subversive stories? Absolutely. And will some readers try to excuse the ubiquitous misogyny by saying Slim was a brutal truth-teller who wanted to share the ugliness of pimping? Probably. But folks, there's no excusing 'wombstroker.' "

You will all be relieved, or perhaps disappointed, that a search for the string "wombstroker" on SOL returns no results. Someone needs to get cracking.

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Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Bondi Beach

"wombstroker"


Sorry, I can't get into that one. I've actually only seen a couple of stories that mention penetrating the cervix. I think that that would be extremely painful, and not just for the woman.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach

@Dominions Son

Sorry, I can't get into that one. I've actually only seen a couple of stories that mention penetrating the cervix. I think that that would be extremely painful, and not just for the woman.


If the Internet is to be trusted (and why not?) all of the non-porn references I've seen say exactly that: painful for both parties, but especially for the woman.

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Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Bondi Beach

If the Internet is to be trusted (and why not?) all of the non-porn references I've seen say exactly that: painful for both parties, but especially for the woman.


Actually, I expect it would result in rather traumatic injury to the woman, injury that if not lethal would render her incapable of bringing a pregnancy to term successfully.

That said, I don't think it's possible. From everything I've read the vagina can stretch lengthwise as well as in girth. The longest erect length for a human penis ever documented is around 15 inches. Would even that be enough to exert enough force to penetrate the cervix? I think not.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Dominions Son

IIRC there was a story a decade or so about porn actresses having their cervices surgically opened up. I never heard any follow-up but I would have thought there was a significant danger to the women's health and fertility from infections.

AJ

richardshagrin
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@awnlee jawking

Dilate the cervix and die late.

To give birth women can and do dilate their cervix, so the baby can escape the womb. Labor pains are pain, but in most cases seem to be survivable. I have heard that if men gave birth, abortion would be a sacrament.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son
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@richardshagrin


To give birth women can and do dilate their cervix, so the baby can escape the womb. Labor pains are pain, but in most cases seem to be survivable.


Yes, but a woman's body goes through an number of changes over a span of months to get to that point. And the cervix is dilating on it's own, which it is designed to do. That is very different from having it forcibly penetrated by a foreign object going in the wrong direction.

Dominions Son

@awnlee jawking

IRC there was a story a decade or so about porn actresses having their cervices surgically opened up. I never heard any follow-up but I would have thought there was a significant danger to the women's health and fertility from infections.


If the cervix were permanently opened like that, I would expect that even if infections are avoided that any pregnancy would miscarry fairly early on.

Perv Otaku

Wombstroker is an AWESOME name, even though it's not biologically possible.

Regardless of that, it does seem to be a prevalent fetish, I've seen plenty of womb penetration in hentai doujin manga (Japanese amateur porn comics), most even goes so far as to show the cock (or tentacle) cause a clearly visible bulge in the girl's belly from the inside.

Chris Podhola

This is kind of an interesting topic. I have often wondered how some of the actresses in videos featuring exaggeratedly large men (like Johnny Homes or others like him) and somehow took the entire length of that man. Some of these guys are as long as fourteen inches and when they lay their behemoth members onto the female actresses, the head of that member ends somewhere near their belly button. Yet, when they have sex, some of these women can take the whole thing. How this is physically possible is beyond me. Riley Reid is one such woman. She is no more than five foot five, weighing a hundred pounds soaking wet, yet she manages the feat.

Did she have some kind of surgery to pull this off?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Chris Podhola

Did she have some kind of surgery to pull this off?


I doubt it.

1. Special effects. Not everything you see in movies is real.

2. With patience and practice, it stretches most of the rest of the internal organs in the abdomen can shift around some without injury.

Replies:   Chris Podhola
Chris Podhola

@Dominions Son

I'll buy answer 2, but I highly doubt they use special effects in porn to any believable degree. When you watch sci fi movies and you see special effects, you can always tell the difference between cgi and reality.

richardshagrin

@Chris Podhola

Can anyone here say "Thread drift"? Google may be your friend to answer questions like that. I doubt there are a lot of former or present female porn stars in our audience who can answer these questions.

Replies:   Chris Podhola
Chris Podhola
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@richardshagrin

And your pointing your finger at me because???

I didn't start the thread drift. I simply responded to it because I found it more interesting than the original post. Not only that, but size was part of the topic of the original post, so the thread drift isn't really that far off the mark in the first place.

Replies:   Grant
Grant

@Chris Podhola

And your pointing your finger at me because???

Could be because a lot of people don't seem to be aware of the 'Reply to Topic' option at the end of the thread, as opposed to the 'Reply to Post' on each post.

Dominions Son

@Chris Podhola

When you watch sci fi movies and you see special effects, you can always tell the difference between cgi and reality.


CGI, sure. But what about practical effects? Odd camera angles and other tricks of altered/manipulated perspective?

Replies:   Chris Podhola
Chris Podhola
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@Dominions Son

Nah. They bury it to the balls. No mistaking it. Same guy, same cock, no funky camera angles. Just him ramming it home. Like I said ... I don't know how it's possible, because I always thought there were very specific limits, but watch some of Riley Reids videos and see for yourself.

Shit. In a couple of them, you can see the man's bulge moving in her lower stomach region. It's pretty wild.

Replies:   Grant
Grant

@Chris Podhola

Same guy, same cock, no funky camera angles. Just him ramming it home. Like I said ... I don't know how it's possible, because I always thought there were very specific limits

Most people can't swallow a sword. But with careful practice, some can.
I expect it's the same with a fisting all the way to the elbow (and beyond), most can't take it (hell, most wouldn't want to!); but some can.

Replies:   Chris Podhola
Chris Podhola

@Grant

Most people can't swallow a sword. But with careful practice, some can.
I expect it's the same with a fisting all the way to the elbow (and beyond), most can't take it (hell, most wouldn't want to!); but some can.


No matter what it still seems weird to me, but I think you're right. Never been much for fisting, but that's a good point.

Replies:   Grant
Grant

@Chris Podhola

Never been much for fisting,

Can't say it does much for me either; unfortunately one of the problems with the internet is once you've seen something you can't un-see it.
Especially after you've watched it half a dozen times because you just can believe they're actually doing whatever it is they're doing...

Replies:   Chris Podhola
Chris Podhola

@Grant

Especially after you've watched it half a dozen times because you just can believe they're actually doing whatever it is they're doing...


Another good point. I guess it's a good thing snuff films are illegal when you look at it that way.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Chris Podhola

snuff films are illegal


Making films about tobacco is illegal?? Heck, isn't it bad enough some countries stop them advertising tobacco at picture theatres??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_%28tobacco%29

Chris Podhola

@Ernest Bywater

Making films about tobacco is illegal?? Heck, isn't it bad enough some countries stop them advertising tobacco at picture theatres??


I guess I don't understand the comparison. I was suggesting that I wouldn't want to see a snuff film because I could never unsee it again. I'm glad they're illegal and I don't have to worry about accidentally stumbling onto one. I don't really care whether advertising tobacco products is legal or not. I understand that making it illegal is a freedom of speech infringement, but personally (as a previous smoker for thirty years) I don't mind that the idea of smoking is no longer being glorified to our youth.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Chris Podhola

I guess I don't understand the comparison.


Chris, snuff is a tobacco product that is sniffed. Often mixed with talcum powder and other things. It's been out of fashion since the late 1800s. I can't understand why they'd make a film about sniffing tobacco, let alone make it illegal. It's use has been shown in several period films set in the 16th to 19th centuries.

JohnBobMead

@Ernest Bywater

snuff is a tobacco product that is sniffed.


Snuff is also the term for killing someone as part of sex. This is what Chris was referring to. It's an SOL tag.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach
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@JohnBobMead


snuff is a tobacco product that is sniffed.

Snuff is also the term for killing someone as part of sex. This is what Chris was referring to. It's an SOL tag.


Come on, guys. Am I the only one who caught Ernest's joke?

EDIT: Um, you were making a joke, Ernest, right?

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Chris Podhola

@Ernest Bywater

Chris, snuff is a tobacco product that is sniffed. Often mixed with talcum powder and other things. It's been out of fashion since the late 1800s. I can't understand why they'd make a film about sniffing tobacco, let alone make it illegal. It's use has been shown in several period films set in the 16th to 19th centuries.


Is that what you thought I meant by snuff film? lol It wasn't. JohnBobMead had my intentions correct. What I wouldn't want to see, because I could never unsee it again, is a sex film where one of the participants kills the other as the conclusion. I would never want to see that, because it is something I could never get out of my head.

Chris Podhola

@Bondi Beach

Come on, guys. Am I the only one who caught Ernest's joke?


If it was a joke, it flew over my head. lol He didn't even use the word snuff in the original reply, so I thought he was just changing the topic to tobacco products and comparing the illegality of it. If he meant it as a joke, I just totally missed that it was supposed to be that.

Ernest Bywater

@Bondi Beach


EDIT: Um, you were making a joke, Ernest, right?


sad to say it, but yes, because the subject was getting a bit too serious. However, I do have Asperger's Syndrome, so I do tend to be extremely literal most of the time.

awnlee jawking

@Ernest Bywater

I understood.

Perhaps we Brits have more of a history of snuff-taking than those upstart colonials.

AJ

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

Perhaps we Brits have more of a history of snuff-taking than those upstart colonials.


You're probably right about that. During the Napoleonic era when people in Britain talked about taking a pinch they usually meant snuff (tobacco mixed with powder) while in the USA they usually meant some poor girl's posterior.

Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

sad to say it, but yes, because the subject was getting a bit too serious. However, I do have Asperger's Syndrome, so I do tend to be extremely literal most of the time.

It must be a generational thing, because I got Ernest's pun right away (though they also refer to chewing tobacco as 'snuff', which is still in widespread use in certain regions).

When the discussions start getting overly serious, a little humor makes it easier to manage, though it's also a sign the topic is about exhausted.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

though they also refer to chewing tobacco as 'snuff', which is still in widespread use in certain regions


I have heard chewing tobacco call "dip" I have never heard it called snuff.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer  tppm
Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

In the American south (mostly southeast and southern midwest) it's sold in metal tins, where you take a 'pinch' and stick it in your gums. However, they're sold as 'snuff' (in some places). I never figured out how they arrived at that term, as it doesn't seem to be historically accurate.

Back when I was young, you couldn't walk across a parking lot without 30 to 40% of the surface consisting a spat tobacco juice. I bought a friend a tiny ceramic spitoon as a joke. It was his favorite present, and he kept it on his dashboard (in his "pickup") for at least a decade, if not more.

tppm
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@Dominions Son


I have heard chewing tobacco call "dip" I have never heard it called snuff.


A lot of (the small minority of) people who use the loose shredded (as opposed to plug) chewing tobacco, which is also called "dip" call it "snoose," which I think is derived from snuff. It's generally used by putting a pinch in the cheek rather than actually being chewed. I don't think I ever seen anyone using the dry powdered tobacco that's snorted, and induces sneezing, and is what I generally think of when I here historical references to "snuff" and snuff boxes were designed to hold.

Replies:   aubie56
aubie56
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@tppm

I remember from the 1940s a product call "snuff" that was sold in small round boxes. A small "pinch" was placed between the gum and cheek and simply allowed to sit there while the active ingredients were absorbed. A wad of something was spat out when the pinch was used up, and a new pinch was put in its place. The elderly Black woman who was the cook for our home used the snuff religiously.

I was a relatively small child then, so I did not know anyone else who used snuff, but I remember seeing it on the shelf of the general store where my grandmother traded. There were a number of brands.

Replies:   Wheezer
sejintenej

@Ernest Bywater

Making films about tobacco is illegal?? Heck, isn't it bad enough some countries stop them advertising tobacco at picture theatres??

In the UK technically the use of tobacco and alcohol are illegal under pretty ancient laws (1800's) covering cocaine etc. That doesn't stop the government profiting from the tax on them

Wheezer
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@aubie56

That type of snuff is very popular around here. Copenhagen is the leading brand. When I was in the 8th grade (almost prehistoric times) our gym teacher, Mr. Turner, used Copenhagen snuff. He carried the round can in his back pocket. I remember that it actually made a round wear mark on the pocket. Of course, several of us boys decided we had to try this stuff. Anyone big enough to reach over the counter could buy tobacco then, so we all got a can each and decided we were going to be manly men like Mr. Turner. Well, nobody told us not to swallow the saliva produced....

It looked a little like an alien invasion with all the green faces! LOL! That was 'puke your socks up' sick! :D

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