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How do folks tag stories with "other categories"?

wandrer
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So - as I'm starting to move my stories over, I'm finding that a bunch of story codes I used on ASSTR don't really exist as Categories over here. For example - a bunch of my stories feature things like "bimboization" and "petplay" (i.e., acting like an animal - usually through mind control or something - but not actual animals), which I know is part of what attracts folks to my stories.

But those Categories don't really exist in the category list. How do people usually handle that sort of stuff over here (if they do)? I threw additional codes in the description (e.g., in my story "Hair Today") but I was curious if others had better solutions?

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Ernest Bywater

If you think there's enough demand you can suggest it to Lazeez with an email to the Webmaster, along with your reasoning. Otherwise, just put it in the story description.

Ross at Play

Unlike ASSTR, story codes serve two important functions. One is they are available as selection criteria for searches. That is an important feature for premium members. The number of results free-loaders gets is intended as an incentive for them to get out their credit cards.
The other function is to warn readers stories may contain squicks some readers prefer to avoid.
If your stories contain anything some readers would find distasteful but no category exists, I suggest you add a warning/advertisement describing it at the end of your story description.
A few readers are savage in their scoring of stories that contain content they disapprove of. Most stories containing any male-on-male action receive quite a lot of "1-bombs". Authors on the forums think that's grossly unfair when the story has been given appropriate codes. Why do they read something when they know will hate it from its codes? But it does happen! On the other hand, I'd probably 1-bomb any story myself if I came across MM action in a story that did not list that in its codes.
This may not matter to you now while transferring completed stories over, but you should try to include all future codes a story will need when posting a story as a serial. Readers will, rightfully, resent learning a story contains something they prefer to avoid only after they've started reading it.

Switch Blayde

@wandrer

I used to use "public sex" and "stranger sex" as tags on ASSTR. They don't exist on SOL. But I prefer the SOL way of standardizing codes. What ASSTR user would even do a search on "stranger sex?"

Replies:   Joe Long  Ernest Bywater
Joe Long

@Switch Blayde

stranger sex


Stranger than what?

Couldn't that more commonly be labeled 'hooking up'?

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Joe Long

Stranger than what?


Sex with a total stranger. In my story "Bookstore Encounter" while the wife doses off the husband and a girl go off to a room for sex. They never even exchange names. In "The Hitchhiker," a guy picks up a hitchhiker and they have sex in a corn field. In "A Wife Ignored," a woman plans a romantic anniversary dinner. The husband says he'll be working late. She goes to a bar, gets drunk, and has sex with a stranger. That's only a few of them.

I guess I write a lot of stories with sex with strangers.

Replies:   Joe Long  Crumbly Writer
Joe Long

@Switch Blayde

Stranger than what?


It was a pun!

I was unfamiliar with the term being used to describe sex with strangers.

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ernest Bywater

@Switch Blayde

I used to use "public sex"


SoL has that in the Fetish section.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Ross at Play

@Joe Long

It was a pun!

It's often wise to add a smiley face after your jokes here so there's no need to make such explanations.
There are a lot of people who sometimes interpret attempts at humour literally. I could send you photos of my many battle scars. :-)
I suspect SB noticed the joke then decided to post a straight answer as a constructive contribution.
And BTW, you need to work much harder that to ruffle SB's feathers!

Switch Blayde

@Ernest Bywater

SoL has that in the Fetish section.


I scanned the code definitions before my post since so many codes have been added. I missed it.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Switch Blayde

I scanned the code definitions before my post since so many codes have been added. I missed it.


Easy enough to do.

Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

I guess I write a lot of stories with sex with strangers.

Exactly! If "stranger" sex means sex with someone other than your usual partner, that would include over 90% of the stories on the site. In that case, "stranger" stories are no longer that strange, they're downright commonplace!

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Crumbly Writer

ASSTR was unique, in that there were NO standards for how to code your stories. Story descriptions were entirely up to the author. While it allowed greater freedom (for example, I coded The Catalyst as (inc?) to denote it was an open question whether it would ever occur or not). Unfortunately, that makes such stories difficult to search for.

SOL instead uses a definite list of codes, with fairly clear descriptions. (Another gotcha, SOL, FS and Sci-Fi all employ different codes, so it's often impossible to code for the same things on all three sites).

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

Exactly! If "stranger" sex means sex with someone other than your usual partner


No. My definition is having sex with someone you don't know.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

No. My definition is having sex with someone you don't know.

Fine. That changes it from 95% of SOL stories to only 85%. Still, it hardly limits your selection criteria my much. Thus I don't find it a compelling need as a story tag.

Has anyone ever searched for stories using the "stranger" tag, and if so, was it useful at all?

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

Thus I don't find it a compelling need as a story tag.


Which is why I never asked for it.

Has anyone ever searched for stories using the "stranger" tag, and if so, was it useful at all?


That was my point about why the standard Category Search codes is a better way. On ASSTR, who would even know to search on "stranger sex?"

Replies:   Capt. Zapp
Capt. Zapp

@Switch Blayde

That was my point about why the standard Category Search codes is a better way. On ASSTR, who would even know to search on "stranger sex?"


I don't know about ASSTR. Their search feature isn't great to start with. Here on SOL, everybody uses the same set of codes, making it easier to search across all stories. Many of the 'ASSTR' codes leave me wondering what the heck they mean in the first place.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Capt. Zapp

I don't know about ASSTR. Their search feature isn't great to start with. Here on SOL, everybody uses the same set of codes, making it easier to search across all stories. Many of the 'ASSTR' codes leave me wondering what the heck they mean in the first place.

Sorry, Switch, I was thinking you were referring to SOL.

Capt. Zapp, there is no Search by Code facility on ASSTR (as you assumed). Instead, the coding is a purely voluntary labeling by each author. There is no restrictions, limits or penalties (besides lost readers) from posting invalid options.

Replies:   Capt. Zapp
Capt. Zapp
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@Crumbly Writer


there is no Search by Code facility on ASSTR (as you assumed)


That was my point. How can there be a 'search by code' facility if everyone makes up their own coding?

and what do these mean? tf, doll, deflation, bimboization, petplay

Ross at Play
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@Capt. Zapp

and what do these mean? tf, doll, deflation, bimboization, petplay

My dog bit my plastic bimbo?
Bimboization includes making girl scouts wear pelmets, etc.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ross at Play

My dog bit my plastic bimbo?

Ah, a bittersweet romance tragedy, as the pets play in the background.

robberhands
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@Capt. Zapp


That was my point. How can there be a 'search by code' facility if everyone makes up their own coding?


The last time I visited ASSTR has to be three or four years ago, but at that time it was possible to search by code. I even remember the seemingly endless list of story codes.

Dominions Son

@Capt. Zapp

tf, doll, deflation, bimboization, petplay


I read tf as teen female.

I'm not sure about deflation.

Bimboization refers to a style of stories where a female character has her IQ reduced and libido jacked through the roof, usually but not always accompanied by a physical transformation in to a blond with a Barbie doll figure.

Doll and petplay are recognized fetishes.

Petplay, usually in the context of a BDSM relationship involves one partner (the submissive in a BDSM relationship) pretending to be or being trained to act like an animal, most commonly a dog or cat, but ponies, and more exotic animal persona's get used.

Doll play would involve a live person pretending to be or being forced into the roll of an inanimate sex doll. Yes, it's one of the weirdest fetishes, but it's out there.

Ross at Play

@Dominions Son

I've missed you for the last three days ... just a bit. :-)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Switch Blayde

@Dominions Son

Doll play would involve a live person pretending to be or being forced into the roll of an inanimate sex doll. Yes, it's one of the weirdest fetishes, but it's out there.


I assumed "doll" was inflatable dolls (which then somehow applied to the deflation).

I assumed "Petplay" was bestiality.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Capt. Zapp

@Dominions Son

I read tf as teen female.


So the tag should be Fa/ft, ft/ft, Ma/ft, or mt/ft, unless there is no other MC.

I'm not sure about deflation.


Anyone have an answer for this?

Bimboization refers to a style of stories where a female character has her IQ reduced and libido jacked through the roof, usually but not always accompanied by a physical transformation in to a blond with a Barbie doll figure.


That sounds like what a lot of the advertising for teens is trying to do. ;)

Doll and petplay are recognized fetishes.

Petplay, usually in the context of a BDSM relationship involves one partner (the submissive in a BDSM relationship) pretending to be or being trained to act like an animal, most commonly a dog or cat, but ponies, and more exotic animal persona's get used.

Doll play would involve a live person pretending to be or being forced into the roll of an inanimate sex doll. Yes, it's one of the weirdest fetishes, but it's out there.


Although I haven't read any stories with these fetishes they might actually be worth adding to the 'fetish' or BDSM category.

Can anyone suggest any stories that might fit any of these potential codes? (other than the recent new postings)

Ernest Bywater

If you keep missing him you need to get out and have more practice so you can improve your aim to hit him.

Switch Blayde
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@Capt. Zapp

Can anyone suggest any stories that might fit any of these potential codes?


CHANGED POST COMPLETELY

The author The Sympathetic Devil wrote almost exclusive bimboization stories. He even has a BimboTech, Inc. Universe.

Dominions Son

@Capt. Zapp

Although I haven't read any stories with these fetishes they might actually be worth adding to the 'fetish' or BDSM category.


I don't know about doll, but there are definitely some stories on SOL involving petplay.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Dominions Son

@Capt. Zapp

So the tag should be Fa/ft, ft/ft, Ma/ft, or mt/ft, unless there is no other MC.


The one thing the age/gender tags don't have is age/gender/solo for stories about people masturbating.

Replies:   Joe Long
Dominions Son

@Capt. Zapp

http://storiesonline.net/s/12319/menagerie

http://storiesonline.net/s/12758/a-kittens-tail

Both by Wolfdragon76 http://storiesonline.net/a/Wolfdragon76

Replies:   Capt. Zapp
Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

I assumed "Petplay" was bestiality.


It's not uncommon for petplay stories to involve bestiality, but they don't have to.

Dominions Son

@Ross at Play

I've missed you for the last three days ... just a bit. :-)


+10 shield of deflection. :P

Capt. Zapp

@Dominions Son

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have to look at them.

I've seen a lot of those in hentai but wasn't aware of any here. I don't really know where they would fit as it's not BDSM or Mind Control. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.

Would be considered 'cross-dressing' but across species instead of gender? >^..^

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Capt. Zapp

I don't really know where they would fit as it's not BDSM or Mind Control. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.

Would be considered 'cross-dressing' but across species instead of gender? >^..^


Well, there is a meat space implementation of fury art/stories called plushies where people wear cartoonish anthropomorphic animal costumes, some even have sex wearing them.

With someone who just wants to pretend to be an animal, it could be considered a subspecies of that.

Joe Long

@Dominions Son

The one thing the age/gender tags don't have is age/gender/solo for stories about people masturbating.


In the spirit of being true to life, my story has several instances of masturbation before he ever touches a real girl

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

@Crumbly Writer

ASSTR was unique, in that there were NO standards for how to code your stories.


IIRC ASSTR (RIP) had a story code FAQ but the codes were advisory only and not enforced.

AJ

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Petplay, usually in the context of a BDSM relationship involves one partner (the submissive in a BDSM relationship) pretending to be or being trained to act like an animal, most commonly a dog or cat, but ponies, and more exotic animal persona's get used.

There's a newer form of 'pet play', inspired by the various Comic-Cons springing up, where people dress as cartoon animals, get together at conventions and pair off to have affairs (in full costume).

Crumbly Writer

@Capt. Zapp

Can anyone suggest any stories that might fit any of these potential codes? (other than the recent new postings)

I've read a few on SOL over the years, but as they were never coded for that, it'll be tricky trying to identify them. (Search for "Woof!" or "Meow, Mistress".)

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

I don't know about doll, but there are definitely some stories on SOL involving petplay.

There are several specifically about pony play (assuming I'm not remembering my time on ASSTR from years back).

Crumbly Writer

@Joe Long

In the spirit of being true to life, my story has several instances of masturbation before he ever touches a real girl

Ah, yes, the Mutual-Masturbation Follies. 'D

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long
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@Crumbly Writer


Ah, yes, the Mutual-Masturbation Follies. 'D


Solo, the original type of masturbation.

When I started this it was intended as a sex story and I thought it okay to shock the readers who presumably only reading for the sex. Now I'm doing it as a mainstream novel that ha sex in it, and being real literature am putting in all the foreshadowing, etc, so that events aren't out of the blue.

The first scene has this passage


Amy was there with another girl. She was always there. I swear she lived at those alleys. She looked over and sort of smiled. I muttered, "Hey" and stared for a second. I wanted to say more, but, as always, the words never formed. She turned away, back to her friend and whatever they were talking about. Maybe next time would be the one where I wasn't afraid. I'd lost track of how many times I told myself that.


That establishes how awkwardly shy he is around girls. A couple of paragraphs later...


At least I had baseball. The Pirates were on at seven, but I'd miss some of it as I had to be down at the stadium at six to see if the coach would let me play in my summer league game.

Spending the evening on the bullpen bench with Randy gave us the opportunity to admire some of the young ladies who strolled past during the course of the game. Not that I spoke to any but there was one in particular I thought likely to fuel my fantasies once I returned home.


First, he does not get to play much for his team (more failure), and second, he compensates for his failure to talk to girls with masturbating.

In scene two he meets his cousin and a few minutes later has to run to his bedroom to look out the window and reenact the scene from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

The first chapter ends with...

That night I laid in bed and stared at the ceiling as the radio played the rock station out of Chicago at a very low volume. I muttered out loud, "Dammit - I finally say more than two words to a hot girl and she has to be my cousin." I reached for the Kleenexes.

robberhands

@Joe Long

That night I laid in bed

I really love the english language, but what it did with "to lie" and "to lay" is a disaster.
'That night I laid in bed.'
'That night I lay in bed.'
'That night I was lying in bed.'
That's bad enough already.
But how could a sentence like, "I lie about in bed, to lie about having sex.", could become allowed making any sense?

Crumbly Writer

@Joe Long

Now I'm doing it as a mainstream novel that ha sex in it, and being real literature am putting in all the foreshadowing, etc, so that events aren't out of the blue.

Foreshadowing isn't limited to literary fiction, but to decent writing of all kinds, porn and non-porn. I suspect your porn readers will appreciate it, but it's nice extending your reach beyond the five-minute read group. 'D

And don't apologize for the inclusion of the masturbation scene in a story about teens, as that's a normal part of the process for everyone. I was teasing, as there's always a tinge of 'gay panic' whenever mutual masturbation (two guys masturbating in the same room) is mentioned.

Crumbly Writer

@robberhands

But how could a sentence like, "I lie about in bed, to lie about having sex.", could become allowed making any sense?

"Lie" is an exception, as it's an entirely different definition of the word, so should be treated as a different word than "lay") that only applies to humans. So a human "lies" (similar to "reclines") on the bed, while you "lie" an inanimate object (or pet) on the bed).

Thus you'd say "I lay in my bed, lying about having sex."

It's so confusing, I had to double check the rules before I posted this.

richardshagrin

@Crumbly Writer

confusing

That is why they call them codes, because you need to decipher them to understand what they mean.

Dominions Son

@robberhands

But how could a sentence like, "I lie about in bed, to lie about having sex.", could become allowed making any sense?


Because the human brain is really good at pattern matching. at a normal reading speed, you are only actually reading every second or third work and your brain fills in the rest based on patterns.

You would be shocked at how screwed up you can make a paragraph and still have it be comprehensible to a majority of readers.

Ross at Play

@Crumbly Writer

"Lie" is an exception, as it's an entirely different definition of the word, so should be treated as a different word than "lay") that only applies to humans. So a human "lies" (similar to "reclines") on the bed, while you "lie" an inanimate object (or pet) on the bed).

WARNING: Pedantic Nitpick Alert!

THREE different verbs!
lie (= to be or put yourself in a horizontal position) is irregular with a Simple Past Tense of 'lay' and Past Participle of 'lain'.
lie (= to tell an untruth) is a regular verb. Its Simple Past Tense and Past Participle are both 'lied'.
lay (= to put somebody/something in some position, usually gently) is irregular with its Simple Past Tense and Past Participle both being 'laid'.

Sorry, CW, the Oxford Dictionary states the first meaning of 'lie' as applicable 'of a person or an animal'.

The Wiki entry I look up most often, despite knowing these very well, is 'List of Irregular Verbs'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_irregular_verbs
It is well worth the effort for authors who want to use the correct word to study this entry until they understand that irregular verbs in English really are very simple. There's not that many.
Note that all except two irregular can be completely defined, and yes, I do mean completely defined, by listing just the bare (infinitive) form, the simple past tense, and the past participle.
The other endings verbs may have, typically '-s', '-ed', and 'ing', are always formed regularly - although there are variations in the rules depending on the end of the base form. There are that an 'e' may be added or dropped before the ending is added, final consonents may be doubled, an 'i' may be changed to 'y' - but they are always done in exactly the same way.
I find whether consonents need to be doubled impossible to figure. It depends on the pronunciation and is a bit different for BrE and Ame. I check those in my dictionary.

The two exceptions I mentioned are:
-* the be-verb is very irregular
-* the have-verb has an irregular third person singular present tense. That is 'has', not 'haves'.

That really is everything you need to know to always spell every verb in the language correctly!!!

Not quite. I know of one more exception. The '-ing' form of 'cringe' is 'cringing' according to the standard pattern of dropping the 'e'. The '-ing' form of 'singe' however, does not drop the 'e'. It is 'singeing' because the usual pattern would have the same spelling of a different word, 'singing'.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Switch Blayde

I agree that lie/lay is a disaster. To make lay the past tense of lie and yet have it as a present tense verb is atrocious. But lie isn't the only word with two meanings:

tear (in the eye)
tear (rip)

bow (front of a boat)
bow (at the waist)

[and when it's pronunced]

bow (tied with ribbon)
bow (shoots arrows)

fair (appearance)
fair (county fair)
fair (reasonable)

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@Switch Blayde

I don't mind the same spelling having different meanings, but it gets really confusing when verbs have same base form, an almost identical meaning, but are conjugated differently.
-* to hang is usually irregular, with both past forms being 'hung', but it's regular when used to mean execute a person. People are 'hanged', not 'hung'.
-* to heave is usually regular, but in a nautical setting it retains old irregular forms: simple past tense of 'hove', and past participle of 'hove' or 'hoven'.
I won't be writing any stories about pirates anytime soon.

richardshagrin

@Ross at Play

pirates


Pies are fairly expensive in the Seattle metropolitan area. Occasional a very small cherry or apple pie is around $6 but normal pricing is in the $10 to $20 range. Pi continues to be 3.141596 (etc.) as it is an irrational number. Corn is the traditional buck an ear.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl

@richardshagrin

Corn is the traditional buck an ear.


Isn't it maize that's the traditional pirate delicacy, as a favorite of the buccaneer? Or are those just Tampa Bay fans?

BlacKnight

@Ross at Play

-* to hang is usually irregular, with both past forms being 'hung', but it's regular when used to mean execute a person. People are 'hanged', not 'hung'.

On the other hand, most of the male protagonists on this site are "hung"; few of them are "hanged".

Crumbly Writer

@Ross at Play

The two exceptions I mentioned are:
-* the be-verb is very irregular
-* the have-verb has an irregular third person singular present tense. That is 'has', not 'haves'.

Yet another reason for authors to avoid these "weak" passive verbs!

Crumbly Writer

@Ross at Play

People are 'hanged', not 'hung'.

Hey! Speak for yourself! Many of us not only deserve to be hung, but already are. 'D

* to heave is usually regular, but in a nautical setting it retains old irregular forms: simple past tense of 'hove', and past participle of 'hove' or 'hoven'.

Yo-ho-ho! I'd hoven the coven into the cavern and locked them away!

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

People are 'hanged', not 'hung'.


Hence 'hung, drawn and quartered'. ;)

AJ

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
wandrer
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Thanks for all the very useful tips and comments, folks (as well as some of the highly entertaining digressions :) ). I've gone with adding "old school story codes" in the descriptions of the stories as well, so hopefully people will stumble across them.

Replies:   Capt. Zapp
Capt. Zapp

@wandrer

I've gone with adding "old school story codes" ...


If there is an equivalent SOL code you should quit duplicating. Besides, there is no way to search for your 'old school codes'. If there is a specific 'old school code' you think needs to be added, contact Lazeez using the 'contact webmaster' link and let him know what it is and why you believe it should be added.

Crumbly Writer

@awnlee jawking

Hence 'hung, drawn and quartered'.

Artists always prefer drawing those properly hung, and afterwards they quarter the artwork (to get rid of those pesky details like faces) and hung again in the artist's loft.

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