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Just a comment about site guidelines

StarFleet Carl

Note this is not a complaint or comment about what goes on HERE - I think Lazeez has done a good job with making it pretty clear and easily accessible so that those we can find the guidelines.

Since my first story here is a fan fiction of Skyrim, and courtesy of the discussion on the forum where I mentioned 50 Shades of Gray being a fan-fic of Twilight, I did some digging. Apparently the story had been first posted on another site, one that is devoted to fan fictions. Being curious, I decided to see what that site was all about, and perhaps to consider posting my story there as well.

There was nothing on that site that encouraged me to do anything without actually logging in or creating an account. I used the search feature and finally found a forum post, which led me into another search feature.

They don't have actual links to their guidelines, simply include it in as a line in their terms of service. (Which I had to search for - again, not real user friendly.)

Finally found them and went, what? Really? Needless to say, that's one site that will NOT be seeing me use them, read the stories there, nor will I post there. (In case you're wondering, they will graciously allow M (for mature) stories to be posted, but those stories have to be vetted, warned about, and kept in their own little corner, and anything MA (Mature Adult - which could be considered a Hard R MPAA rating) is not allowed and will get you banned.)

After seeing this, I didn't even bother trying to read any of the stories there. I'm certain there's some good authors that post there. But I'll never know - the site ran me away.

All in all, seeing what they did at this other site makes me appreciate SOL and what we and our community here have even more so.

Replies:   docholladay
Crumbly Writer

I like the fact that SOL had 'dirty' stories, but clean stories, with the option to select either (or to disable one or the other). I also like that we have FS, for clean stories, and Sci-Fi, which has stories broken down by the appropriate ages.

It definitely beats ASSTR which is all pedo all the time, doesn't allow ANY non-sexual stories, and has chased away the majority of their non-pedo authors/readers away since it's the ONLY place for pedo stories now. :( Talk about 'unintended consequences'!

richardshagrin
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@Crumbly Writer


ASSTR which is all pedo all the time


It isn't quite that bad. I suggest people look at Karen Blaine stories on ASSTR, some are historical romances and others are business related set in the present time. There is some sex but it isn't descriptive and I haven't seen any young (under 18) characters being molested.

sunkuwan

There are some pearls on that and the sister site. But the search and filter function is bad and the tags are nonexistant.

Also the banning seems inconsistant. There are some fake stories with a few hundred K to a million words with the whole nonsense chapter posted several times and they dont get deleted for years.

Also a somewhat dark vampire fanfiction story was banned (read it on another site) and another vampire fanfiction story from the same author with over 500k words was allowed. It was darker than the first story and the Main characters go on a killing spree the last chapters killing innocents left and right and when they got home, they have a castle full of innocent victims who they fuck, mutilate and kill in gory details, the youngest innocents were middle school girls.

If the first (banned) story was a dark romantic story, the second was "from dusk till dawn" on drugs.

docholladay

@StarFleet Carl

I think Lazeez has done a good job with making it pretty clear and easily accessible so that those we can find the guidelines.


That goes for the readers as well. He has definitely made it as simple as possible for a reader to filter out almost any potential story which will hit them wrong.

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

It definitely beats ASSTR which is all pedo all the time, doesn't allow ANY non-sexual stories,


ASSTR started as a repository for stories(text) from a particular usenet forum, specifically alt.sex.stories. Why you would expect them to be welcoming of non-sex stories is beyond me.

ASSTR = Alt.Sex.Stories Text Repository.

Crumbly Writer

@richardshagrin

It isn't quite that bad. I suggest people look at Karen Blaine stories on ASSTR, some are historical romances and others are business related set in the present time. There is some sex but it isn't descriptive and I haven't seen any young (under 18) characters being molested.

I was exaggerating, but not by much. My point, is that once ASSTR became the only refuge for pedo stories, it become overwhelmed with pedo readers, and the typical reader fled, and as they did, so did the majority of the regular author.

You've got to admit, the amount of pedo stories has never been higher than it has for the past several years, and it doesn't seem to be relenting. What's more, the admins appear to have largely abandoned the site. They're still there, undoubtedly, but they're so overwhelmed, they're impossible to reach, they don't respond to issue and inquires (and offers of help) go unanswered.

@D.S.

ASSTR started as a repository for stories(text) from a particular usenet forum, specifically alt.sex.stories. Why you would expect them to be welcoming of non-sex stories is beyond me.

I don't expect it, but as the site drifts farther and farther afield, I hate seeing it diminish. I've kind of gone in the opposite direction. Since every time I include sex in my stories I get some who rant about the sex, and others who'll skip major portions of the story to avoid the few sex scenes, complaining the story no longer makes sense, I've largely started to bypass the sex aspects simple to shut up the steady whining.

I don't plan on ignoring it forever, but if the sex scenes prevent people from comprehending the story, then there's little reason for including it.

However, I do have a couple of romances and mysteries planning, so I'll sprinkle those liberally with sex. I'm just not sure I'll post them to ASSTR. (I never posted "The Cuckoo's Progeny" there, which features a pseudo-incest theme throughout the story.)

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long
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@Crumbly Writer


Since every time I include sex in my stories I get some who rant about the sex, and others who'll skip major portions of the story to avoid the few sex scenes, complaining the story no longer makes sense, I've largely started to bypass the sex aspects simple to shut up the steady whining.


I've noticed two types of stories 1) Those written so poorly that I'm skipping ahead to find the sex and 2) Those that have such a good, well written story that I gloss over the sex.

I've been discussing with and closely observing a couple writers that I'm friendly with the subject of how to write sex scenes that aren't about sex. Sure, they'll likely give you a hard-on, but the point is to show plot and characterization. Often it's done with some humor.

In two recent scenes - the first had my two love birds in his car at school. She was lamenting how much she missed him and undoes his pants. As the 1st person narrator, it's obvious to the reader what she's doing without going into a great deal of detail. He then tells the girl, while she's fellating him, a story (which actually happened to me) about how he had walked through a school parking lot and saw a guy sitting behind the wheel when suddenly a girl's head popped up. He had to then push her head back down, suggesting someone had walked by. In the second, they go to another secluded spot to make out but she's in a foul mood. After he fingers her to a climax she zips up. "What about me?" "I told you I was mad at you." In the coming scene he keeps trying to stick it in but she says "Not until i tell you" Meanwhile she's asking him, "Tell me about your girlfriends"

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer
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@Joe Long


I've noticed two types of stories 1) Those written so poorly that I'm skipping ahead to find the sex and 2) Those that have such a good, well written story that I gloss over the sex.

I've been discussing with and closely observing a couple writers that I'm friendly with the subject of how to write sex scenes that aren't about sex. Sure, they'll likely give you a hard-on, but the point is to show plot and characterization. Often it's done with some humor.

I typically use a technique which is rarely used by others, in that I find my characters tend to reveal more about themselves, things that I, as an author, am not even aware of, once they climb into bed with someone they trust. Thus the sex scenes become trust building exercises, and a chance for the characters to explore other issues.

Other authors typically halt the story cold, repeat the standard 'slam, bam, thank you, ma'am' response, and then restart the story once again. I suspect many (but by no means all) of my readers were taken back by my technique and reacted to it by skipping ahead, over the more plot-centered scenes.

I've also found, that readers respond differently to sex scenes depending to their moods. If they've just had sex themselves, they couldn't care less about it. If they're busy, they're often not focused on the sex scenes. Thus there's no telling how readers will or won't respond to a sex scene, and thus they become unpredictable wildcards, where readers either love or hate them.

Replies:   Michael Loucks  Joe Long
Michael Loucks

@Crumbly Writer

I typically use a technique which is rarely used by others, in that I find my characters tend to reveal more about themselves, things that I, as an author, am not even aware of, once they climb into bed with someone they trust. Thus the sex scenes become trust building exercises, and a chance for the characters to explore other issues.


Absolutely. This. 'Pillow talk' is very important, too. There are things you can say after making love that you might not be able to say at other times. As you do, I make use of this technique in A Well-Lived Life.

Bondi Beach

@richardshagrin

It isn't quite that bad. I suggest people look at Karen Blaine stories on ASSTR, some are historical romances and others are business related set in the present time.


There's also the Kirsten Archive, or whatever it's called. Some of the directories are sorted by theme; others are numbered. Search is dicey, as others have said, but I haven't noticed a predominance of pedo stories there.

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Joe Long

@Crumbly Writer

I typically use a technique which is rarely used by others, in that I find my characters tend to reveal more about themselves, things that I, as an author, am not even aware of, once they climb into bed with someone they trust. Thus the sex scenes become trust building exercises, and a chance for the characters to explore other issues.


Good point and similar to what I'm trying. I'll make a note of 'trust building'

If they've just had sex themselves


Rules me out

Ernest Bywater

@Bondi Beach

There's also the Kirsten Archive, or whatever it's called. Some of the directories are sorted by theme; others are numbered. Search is dicey, as others have said, but I haven't noticed a predominance of pedo stories there.


That's because the stories there haven't been automatically placed there the way the general archive is done, but are selected by the archive manager.

Not_a_ID
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The other factor in the decline of ASSTR is the whole matter with the haywire load balancers and the poor to non-existent syncing between the servers it was trying to balance the load between. IIRC that went on for the better part of a year, which resulted in most pages/authors who could find alternate hosting doing so. Guess which particular "kink" probably couldn't find a new home?

Which would explain the heavy skew now presented over there.

Crumbly Writer

@Bondi Beach

There's also the Kirsten Archive, or whatever it's called. Some of the directories are sorted by theme; others are numbered. Search is dicey, as others have said, but I haven't noticed a predominance of pedo stories there.

Kirsten's Archive is the exception of great storytelling on ASSTR, as they select the best of what's offered on ASSTR. (Though, to be fair, I haven't noticed as many additions in the past few years, possibly because there aren't as many good stories being posted to ASSTR recently.)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son
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@Crumbly Writer


Though, to be fair, I haven't noticed as many additions in the past few years, possibly because there aren't as many good stories being posted to ASSTR recently.


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