Home « Forum « Author Hangout

Forum: Author Hangout

More Win 10 Smack

Zine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-elliott/hes-ready-to-throw-his-wi_b_8152238.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

He's Ready to Throw His Windows 10 Upgrade Out The Window

Replies:   Dominion's Son  red61544
Dominion's Son

@Zine

Another one who made the mistake of upgrading an MS OS on an existing device without wiping the drive to do a clean install.

Patches are okay, but never ever install a MS OS version upgrade over the top of an existing MS OS install. It never works right.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Dominion's Son

Patches are okay, but never ever install a MS OS version upgrade over the top of an existing MS OS install. It never works right.


Your quote will now be adjusted to be more accurate:

Never ever install a MS OS version because it never works right.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Ernest Bywater


Never ever install a MS OS version because it never works right.


Not so. Win 7 works just fine (as long as it's a clean install).

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Not so. Win 7 works just fine (as long as it's a clean install).

Yeah, but Win Vista was another disaster. Face it, M$'s hitting record of functional OSs is continually decreasing. You'd think they'd eventually make a hit, but so far, it's been a series of strike outs with only one accidental hit.

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Yeah, but Win Vista was another disaster. Face it, M$'s hitting record of functional OSs is continually decreasing.


I might dispute that it is decreasing, it was never that good to begin with. All the way back from the beginning they would have one or two versions that were practically a step backwards and then one version that was a real improvement.

Do you remember the debacle that was MS Bob?

7 is good, 8 is ok on a mobile or tablet, but they tried to force the tablet/mobile interface on the desktop, an no one really want's that.

From what I have read 10 is supposed to let desktop installations be desktops. Just stay away from the free download version.

Wait until it is being sold with new hardware. My take on the free download for win 10 is that they are trying to trick people into alpha testing for them.

Dominions Son
Updated:

@Crumbly Writer


Yeah, but Win Vista was another disaster. Face it, M$'s hitting record of functional OSs is continually decreasing.


I might dispute that it is decreasing, it was never that good to begin with. All the way back from the beginning they would have one or two versions that were practically a step backwards and then one version that was a real improvement.

Do you remember the debacle that was MS Bob?

7 is good, 8 is ok on a mobile or tablet, but they tried to force the tablet/mobile interface on the desktop, an no one really wants that.

From what I have read 10 is supposed to let desktop installations be desktops. Just stay away from the free download version.

Wait until it is being sold with new hardware. My take on the free download for win 10 is that they are trying to trick people into alpha testing for them.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Am I hearing an echo in here? 'D

jimh67

CW, why stay away from the free version? How is it different?

Dominions Son
Updated:

@jimh67

CW wasn't the one who advised staying away from the free version, I was.

1. It's an alpha or beta version not ready for market. They aren't giving installation media/licenses to OEMs yet. That means it's going to be buggyer than a normal first release of a new version.

2. It's only available as download, meaning you have to install over an existing window version. That has never worked well with Microsoft Windows and will almost certainly result in problems. The only safe way to install a Microsoft Windows version upgrade on existing hardware is to backup all of your data, wipe the drive and do a clean install.

3. One of the other authors here put up a post on his SOL author blog titled Don't do it!. where he described the problems he was having with the free download version of Win 10. One of his issues was that it seemed to be preventing the use of non-Microsoft applications.

Replies:   Gauthier
Crumbly Writer
Updated:

@jimh67


CW, why stay away from the free version? How is it different?


For exactly the reasons that DS lays out. After so many spectacular failures, I'm not about just switch OSs again until I see a few 'happy user' comments on the forums. Frankly, I don't believe M$'s own hype about it. Besides, aside from the new "Start" menu, there aren't really any 'necessary' features to either Window 8, 9 or 10.

Gauthier

@Dominions Son

They aren't giving installation media/licenses to OEMs yet


Totally false, it was available to OEM a little bit before the launch. Contrary to previous release it was not avaiable to OEM 2-4 months before the general relase, OEM are also clearing inventory...
Hence the lack of reatil version already equiped with it.
On a new PC, there is no question it's the best Windows available, so go for it. Upgrade (to get the licencing), then do a fresh install to kill the OEM crapware. On an old PC, I would wait a bit to grow the knowledge base of problems and hardware compatibility issues, but in fine, in a few month for security reasons, it's to be done.

Killer features for me:
- The Hyper-V integration:
Surf & download safely from a VM needs Licence for VM, or you can run Linux there:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=46842

- The anti bit rot ReFS (Resilient File System).
needs lots of big disks.

- Universals Apps.

- Multi desktop.

- OneNote

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Gauthier

On a new PC, there is no question it's the best Windows


I'd qualify that with the addition of if it's MS Windows you have to have because your critical software will only run in Windows and it will work on this version of Windows.

I don't have any software that only works on Windows and can do everything I want in non-Windows software, so I switched to Linux years ago and pay a lot less for a better product.

red61544

@Zine

I love the ads for Windows 10. They imply your children and grandchildren will be using it forever! After the 5,000th "update", MS will junk it and we'll have "Windows 11 - the ultimate operating system for the future!" Every new MS OS tries to solve (read "cover up") the problems of the previous system while creating new problems for the user.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@red61544

They imply your children and grandchildren will be using it forever!


Official MS released policy is Win 10 will have mainstream support until Oct 2020 and then extended support for those who pay for it up to Oct 2025 - so forever is definitely out.

tppm

Based on history, I seriously doubt Win 10 will still be MS primary product, though it will still be supported for maintenance, by the time those toddlers in the commercial reach primary school. Even before EB's post above.

garymrssn

I ran across an article that may be of interest.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/10/windows_10_forced_download/
I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article. It does sound like something M$ would do.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@garymrssn

can't vouch for the accuracy of the article. It does sound like something M$ would do.

These reports are being widely circulated and are definitely true. There are workarounds to turn it off, but there are something like 8 or 20 places it forces auto downloads.

Another reason not to upgrade. On my phone, I've learned to NEVER upgrade apps until I can prove they aren't REMOVING features or installing bugs!

DeYaKen

Microsoft did me a favour.

I use a laptop belonging to a charity I work for. The person who set it up partitioned the drive.
They set the C: drive as system with only 60GB but left 120GB for data on the other drive. All programs were on the C: drive. Every update to windows 7 made the machine slower as it reduced the available disc space down to 3GB. Then MS offered me a free upgrade to Windows 10. Now half my disc space has been returned to me and everything is back to normal speed.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@DeYaKen

The person who set it up partitioned the drive.
They set the C: drive as system with only 60GB but left 120GB for data on the other drive. All programs were on the C: drive.

I've always done that on every machine I set up. I've always felt that M$ was one sick organization for dumping everything on the same drive.

By putting the programs on one partition, and your data on another, if you get infected, or the system slows down too much over time, you can just reinstall the OS and all your program, and your data stays the same. If it's all on the same drive, you either duplicate all your system info, or you have to back up and restore all your data. Not so bad when you upgrade, but a bitch when your systems been compromised.

Back to Top