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Bondi Beach

Diana Gabaldon's I Give You My Body essay on writing sex scenes is out today (August 16).

So far she hasn't said anything we don't already know or haven't already been told, but she says it very well and I think the thing is worth its $2.99 price.

Ex.: "You want to anchor the scene with physical details, but by and large it's better to use sensual details rather than overtly sexual ones. ...

"So how do you make a scene vivid but not revoltingly so? ... [I]f you use any three of the five senses, it will make the scene immediately three-dimensional. (Many people use only sight and sound. Include smell, taste, touch, and you're in business. ...

"In essence, a good sex scene is usually a dialogue scene with physical details."

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Crumbly Writer

@Bondi Beach

"In essence, a good sex scene is usually a dialogue scene with physical details."

Alas, I've gotten flak for years over my sex scenes. While they're universally my favorite chapters, I continually get a string of individuals who either want more, less or a different kind of sex. Mostly, the complaints range along the lines of: "the characters talk too much during sex, they should just do it and talk afterwards" or "the sex should be left up to the imagination".

I've long had a problem in that I use sex-scenes to advance the plot, but many readers will skip over any sex scene they encounter and then complain when the story suddenly stops making sense: to which I reply "Go back and read the damn story!"

That's why I've avoided sex in most of my stories, as much as possible. It may make a story more popular, or fit a particular story, but I'm sick of dealing with individual sexual choices in my feedback. If you want to tell me what you like, that's fine, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to write in my own stories! (Grrr!)

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richardshagrin

One issue with scenes inserting tabs (pick any letter) into slots (pick any other letter or number) is the show versus tell problem. In addition, sometimes sex means gender (M, F, other, aliens with tentacles) rather than "fucking". Dialog is one way of showing rather than telling. As opposed to capitalizing words and adding letters or syllables to indicate they were uttered loudly.

To review some stories with lots of "sex" (fucking of different or same genders, sorry, no tentacles yet) is to look at one of Thinking Horndog's (aka T. H. Barker on Smashwords) like the Pact or almost any of them with more than two characters. I can't summarize what he does, but it works for me.

graybyrd

@Crumbly Writer

but many readers will skip over any sex scene they encounter


It would be ever so much more convenient if authors would "tag" their sex scenes thusly: [SEX] yadda yadda rumpty-bumpty [/SEX]. This would make it so much easier to skip over to the actual plot content. Or, in the case of some on-going serials, one could use an auto-filter and condense a 356-chapter story down to the essential 20 or 30 story pages.

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Dominions Son

@graybyrd

This would make it so much easier to skip over to the actual plot content.


It's not impossible for sex scenes to be part of the actual plot content.

Readers who feel the way you have described should only read stories tagged No Sex.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Readers who feel the way you have described should only read stories tagged No Sex.

Worse, in my case they kept criticizing me because my story "made no sense" whenever they'd skip over the sex scenes. If that happens, go back and reread the sections you skipped over!

graybyrd

@Dominions Son

Readers who feel the way you have described should only read stories tagged No Sex.


Authors who feel that way should use the "Stroke Story" tag.

Ernest Bywater

@Dominions Son

It's not impossible for sex scenes to be part of the actual plot content.


True, and it need not be a stroke or much sex story either.

Bondi Beach

@graybyrd

Authors who feel that way should use the "Stroke Story" tag.


Amen. There's good stroke and crappy stroke, too.

I just skimmed a story where the plot was (a) initiate the virgin, and (b) would Mom join them. Both fun things, but the sex got in the way. Really.

Easily 2/3 of the story was a waste, and it's sad to see an opportunity for good stroke wasted.

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Dominions Son

@graybyrd


Authors who feel that way should use the "Stroke Story" tag.


Don't misunderstand. I'm not suggesting that sex scenes never get in the way. However, if you think that sex scenes are never part of the plot and always get in the way, why are you reading anything but no-sex stories?

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Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Don't misunderstand. I'm not suggesting that sex scenes never get in the way. However, if you think that sex scenes are never part of the plot and always get in the way, why are you reading anything but no-sex stories?

That was my point. I asked, didn't you read the story labels and the story description, or realize you're on a site with sexual stories. However, it never seems to deter their insistence that ALL stories should be devoid of sex. It's not that they object to the sex, but for them, the sex scenes just aren't worth reading and their preference is for all stories to avoid it.

Switch Blayde

@graybyrd


Authors who feel that way should use the "Stroke Story" tag.


That's ridiculous. What you're saying is if there's sex there's no plot.

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graybyrd
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@Switch Blayde


That's ridiculous. What you're saying is if there's sex there's no plot.


"Ridiculous" is a bit harsh, but OK, call it that.

But from my POV, too many stories start out as a plot-driven tale, but almost immediately become literally drenched in long, repetitive, unrealistic and over-blown sex scenes, containing little or no original or imaginative content whatsoever, other than to add to the body/harem count, finally crossing family lines for additional titillation (mother, daughter, niece, granddaughter, grandmother, local PTA president, minister's wife, Girl Scout leader, and maybe--just maybe--the ex-whatever.)

All of this the deserving tribute to the Alpha male, lead character, aged anywhere from (now!) 14 years upward.

You know what? It gets boring as hell. More is most certainly NOT better. In some cases, over 300 chapters of that shite is a massive overdose of senseless, no-point bedroom (kitchen, lounge, garage, attic, patio, car, mall, 7-11 store, changing room, Starbucks restroom, etc) boffing.

Folks, it gets *old* and *stale* and *pointless!*

It's like sitting down to eat a platter of salt, fer crissakes. A little spice is good; a bucket of it is an appetite killer.

Switch Blayde
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@graybyrd


But from my POV, too many stories start out as a plot-driven tale, but almost immediately become literally drenched in long, repetitive, unrealistic and over-blown sex scenes.

You know what? It gets boring as hell. More is most certainly NOT better.


I agree with that. When I originally wrote "The Preacher's Wife" (on ASSTR) it was 5 chapters. People begged for more so I wrote another 5 chapters. The problem is the story ended after the 1st 5 so the rest was what you said.

So when I posted it on SOL, I went back to the original ending (it ended up as 6 chapters due to revisions). Now it's the story it was supposed to be, a story about the sexual liberation of a woman.

My original comment was based on your assertion that all stories with sex are stroke stories.

Ernest Bywater

There's a number of reasons and issues for the points being raised in the tail end of this thread.

The Biggest Issue
Some people feel all the stories must have sex in them because the see SoL as a sex story site, and only as that, yet the official SoL position has always been it's a story site and it allows for sex stories.

Those who feels it's a sex story site feel they have to have sex in the story, so they stick in gratuitous sex scenes that add nothing to the story, and often detract from it. Those stories would do better with the sex removed, and listed as No Sex stories.

Second Biggest Issue
Is the people who have difficulty differentiating between the stroke stories with no plot, the stroke stories with a little plot, and the plot stories with a lot of sex. This leads to complaints.

.......................

There are a lot of stories on SoL where the sex is what the plot or the story is. There are a lot of stories where the plot is the story and the sex is a sideline that could be cut without affecting the story. However, there are also some stories where the sex is part of the plot or character development and an integral part of the plot driven story. Part of the problem is some people have difficulty seeing the differences between the last two types of stories.

Crumbly Writer

@graybyrd

You know what? It gets boring as hell. More is most certainly NOT better. In some cases, over 300 chapters of that shite is a massive overdose of senseless, no-point bedroom (kitchen, lounge, garage, attic, patio, car, mall, 7-11 store, changing room, Starbucks restroom, etc) boffing.

You've got a good point. There's a major difference between the judicious use of erotica and out-and-out repetitive porn (repeating the same scene over and over with ever changing partners). However, there is a happy medium, and that medium is not skipping over every sex scene you encounter. I'd ask that you at least review the first couple sex scenes first, to determine whether there's anything worthwhile (plot wise). If not, then the author has a set style and you have my blessings to bypass the repetitive shit.

Switch Blayde

One thing being overlooked — poor writing is poor writing.

There are many non-sex scenes I skim over because they are boring. After skimming enough I abandon the story. There's a lot of boring description I skim over too.

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Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

I skim over because they are boring. After skimming enough I abandon the story. There's a lot of boring description I skim over too.


Boring like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Switch Blayde

@Dominions Son

Boring like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


No, boring in like *yawn* not keeping my interest.

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Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde


No, boring in like *yawn* not keeping my interest.


True, but my point is that what you find boring may in fact be very interesting to someone else.

Thus boring depends at least as much on you as on the author.

Crumbly Writer
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@Dominions Son


True, but my point is that what you find boring may in fact be very interesting to someone else.

Thus boring depends at least as much on you as on the author.


A classic example of this are the book fans who want constant explosions and gunfights, and who rates Hemmingway as a yawn because it's too slow.

There's poor writing, but very often there are readers who are either just impatient for something more like what they witness on TV, or who are simply looking for something else entirely. (After all, who the hell wants Downtown Abbey when what you're looking for is The A-Team?)

That's hardly the fault of the author, or an indication of the quality of writing.

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer


That's hardly the fault of the author, or an indication of the quality of writing.


Exactly.

Switch Blayde

@Dominions Son

True, but my point is that what you find boring may in fact be very interesting to someone else.

Thus boring depends at least as much on you as on the author.


Then that would be true for a sex scene too

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Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

No argument there.

Not_a_ID
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@graybyrd

Authors who feel that way should use the "Stroke Story" tag.


Laz would probably beg to differ on that. The SOL official definition defines a "Stroke Story" to be one mostly about sex.

In general usage, my personal expectation has been that a Stroke Story generally has little to no plot, is pretty much "pure porn" and intended to "get you off(sexually)" quickly, and if it's a longer story, often. In keeping with the whole "mostly about sex" classification.

As such, a story that is not primarily focused on sex, of quick/cheap sexual thrills, the "Stroke" tag is poorly applied and inappropriate.

Just because a story advances its plot during sexual encounters does not make it about, or focused on sex(unless that is the primary and only way the plot advances). It certainly doesn't mean most of the story is focused on it.

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Joe_Bondi_Beach

@Crumbly Writer

(After all, who the hell wants Downtown Abbey when what you're looking for is The A-Team?)


I think there's a story here. Mr. T as the butler? Definitely material to work with.

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Capt Zapp

@Crumbly Writer

(After all, who the hell wants Downtown Abbey when what you're looking for is The A-Team?)


Heck of a place to have an Abbey, right downtown. Is it on Abbey Road? ;-)

BTW, the show is "Downton Abbey", not Downtown. :-)

graybyrd
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@Not_a_ID


Just because a story advances its plot during sexual encounters does not make it about, or focused on sex(unless that is the primary and only way the plot advances). It certainly doesn't mean most of the story is focused on it.


This is a pointless argument, so I'll drop it. But to affirm my original point, several long-running serials contain so much gratuitous, repetitive harem-style sexual content that really has little purpose other than ego-buffing and recreational boffing for the main character (which has little or nothing to do with advancing the ancillary plot such as wealth building or crime fighting or prepping to "decimate" the invading space aliens) that it truly qualifies as a stroke story.

Remove the gratuitous sex scenes, and the story is far less than one-third its posted length.

[/opinion]

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Not_a_ID
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For a few of the ones that come to mind, I would agree. For others I'd disagree.

Pretty much anything by SpacerX might as well be "Stroke" coded. Sex is the basic premise. Sex is the main or major focus, and sex is the main vehicle through which most of his stories progress.

A&J isn't stroke, it probably does rightfully deserve a "much sex" tag, but definitely not stroke.

We could keep going down the list, but most of the other long ones I'm recalling tend more towards "some sex" or "much sex" with a few that are almost "no sex" beyond the implied kind.

But that isn't relevant. The position staked was essentially that a story that progresses ANY plot elements while in the process of having sex should be coded as "stroke." Full stop, no further consideration of other content is required.

That position is very flawed.

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Switch Blayde

Then there's the other side of it. Many people expect "stroke" when you code it as "much sex."

The bottom line is, it's hard to write fiction well. And a sex scene may be one of the hardest things to write well.

I skim a lot of sex scenes, too, because they're boring. Often there's no build up. Often there's no emotional impact.

Not_a_ID

I personally wouldn't expect that of a "much sex" flag when I know there is a "Stroke" flag too.

Besides, otherwise I'm going by:

http://storiesonline.net/docs/code_faq.php

Sex Contents Definitions:
Stroke Story: Story is mostly sex.
Much Sex: Story contains plenty of sex.
Some Sex: Story contains Some sex.
Minimal Sex: Story contains just a bit of sex.
No Sex: Don't expect any sex.

Crumbly Writer

@graybyrd

This is a pointless argument, so I'll drop it. But to affirm my original point, several long-running serials contain so much gratuitous, repetitive harem-style sexual content that really has little purpose other than ego-buffing and recreational boffing for the main character (which has little or nothing to do with advancing the ancillary plot such as wealth building or crime fighting or prepping to "decimate" the invading space aliens) that it truly qualifies as a stroke story.

Remove the gratuitous sex scenes, and the story is far less than one-third its posted length.

People weren't responding to that issue, but rather to the idea that repeated sex scenes mean 'no story'. You were talking about specific instances (specific offensive stories which struck you as being poorly written), but instead addressed them as being 'bad stories' due to the sexual content.

Not only is there straight out porn (stories with little value beyond a sexual charge), but there's also 'gun porn' (stories which cater to veterans, which don't appeal to anyone who's never broken down a large arsenal of guns), 'car porn' (who any readers who don't frequent car shows just to go home and jerk off) or any other variant.

If you go on and on about minor issues which don't advance the story, then you (the author) should be called on it, as it'll impact your readers, your scores and your fan base.

What that means, to the author, is that it's time to start revising and editing in order to cut the fat--removing the unnecessary story elements which make the story impenetrable to those outside of your little group.

In short, if the story doesn't advance the plot, it needs to be jettisoned. If it takes you too long to get to the point, you need to strip out the minor subplots until you get to the bare bones of the story.

Unfortunately, telling the difference between what's essential, and what's not, is often the mark of a master storyteller, which are few and far between.

@Not_a_ID

But that isn't relevant. The position staked was essentially that a story that progresses ANY plot elements while in the process of having sex should be coded as "stroke." Full stop, no further consideration of other content is required.

That position is very flawed.

Very well stated. Thank you for boiling down my overblown explanation. (Otherwise known as 'word porn').

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Crumbly Writer

@Not_a_ID

I personally wouldn't expect that of a "much sex" flag when I know there is a "Stroke" flag too.

One complication is when you have a squick/teaser like 'incest' or 'BDSM' for a story listed as either Minimal or No Sex (similar to reading a 'No Sex' gay romance).

Many will reject about the 'sexual content', despite their being none, while other will complain about the lack of promised/expected sex.

But, now that we've beat this particular horse to death, how about we get back to discussing HOW to write sex scenes?

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Switch Blayde

@Not_a_ID

I personally wouldn't expect that of a "much sex" flag when I know there is a "Stroke" flag too.


SOL changed their definitions. The difference in the past was stroke didn't have a plot. Now there's no mention of plot or lack of it.

But "much sex" is now defined as plenty of sex. I remember asking in my Yahoo group if one of my multi-chapter stories was "much sex" or "some sex." The majority of those who took the poll said "some sex." But every or almost every chapter had sex in it. To me that's plenty of sex therefore "much sex." I changed it to "some" but later changed it back to "much."

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Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

But, now that we've beat this particular horse to death


It's just resting. :)

Not_a_ID

@Switch Blayde

But "much sex" is now defined as plenty of sex. I remember asking in my Yahoo group if one of my multi-chapter stories was "much sex" or "some sex." The majority of those who took the poll said "some sex." But every or almost every chapter had sex in it. To me that's plenty of sex therefore "much sex." I changed it to "some" but later changed it back to "much."


Based on the SOL Tiers outlined, if I had to give an arbitrary number "Stroke" would probably be more than 2/3rds of the story content directly relates to sex. "Much sex would be in the ~33% to ~66% range, or that middle third. "some sex" would probably be in the ~33% to somewhere in the high single digits.

"Minimal sex" would basically be 10% or less.

"No Sex" could technically get up to say 1% of the story content depending on length without much fuss(The description does just say "don't expect it" not that it won't be there). Sure, it's still there, but the odds of encountering it in any randomly chosen portion of the story is pretty low. But that author shouldn't start complaining when others start complaining about finding sexual content in that story.

Dominions Son

@Switch Blayde

The difference in the past was stroke didn't have a plot. Now there's no mention of plot or lack of it.


You can have a story that's all sex and no plot, but you could also have a story with a real plot where the plot is focused on sex. Personally I would consider the latter a stroke story.

In my opinion, stroke is all sex (does not preclude having a plot*) and much sex has at least some non-sex elements.

* I will concede that writing a stroke story with a coherent plot is difficult. However, I reject the notion that it is impossible.

Bondi Beach

@Dominions Son


* I will concede that writing a stroke story with a coherent plot is difficult. However, I reject the notion that it is impossible.


It's not quite on point since each "story" is very short, often no more than a scene or two, but Mark Aster's "My Friends the Allens" stories are delightful, each one nicely polished and very hot. Some are even funny. Overall, they form a story arc.

Highly recommended.

bb

Crumbly Writer

@Not_a_ID

Sorry, but most people understand "No Sex" to be just that, no sex. You can have romance, but no explicit sex. Off-screen is fine, but references to it are questionable: you might be able to, but you need to be careful.

Generally, "New Sex" describes stories where sex simply isn't a part of the story, not one where you slip it in where it isn't expected.

Also, when you describe "Stroke" as being more than 66.6% sex, that includes the entire story/plot rather than references per chapter. You can have sex in every chapter while also focusing on a decent plot line and advancing the characters in a meaningful way.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

I will concede that writing a stroke story with a coherent plot is difficult. However, I reject the notion that it is impossible.

The key to any story, even stroke stories, is character development. That's why most of them end up involving the marriage (group marriage many times) of the main characters. Those developments are known as a "plot line". The two aren't incompatible, but any time you focus on a single topic, the story tends to become unbalanced, so it's becomes more difficult to carry off.

richardshagrin

The advantage of "food porn" about what the characters are cooking and eating is that it tends to broaden the characters, as they become fatter.

Switch Blayde

@Not_a_ID


Based on the SOL Tiers outlined, if I had to give an arbitrary number "Stroke" would probably be more than 2/3rds of the story content directly relates to sex.


That's the new definition. I didn't even know the definition changed. The old definition of "stroke" was no plot, hence the name — you're not reading a story, just sex scenes to, um, stroke yourself.

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Switch Blayde

@Dominions Son

where the plot is focused on sex.


That defines the erotica genre. That's why with erotica you cannot remove the sex and still have a story. It would be like removing the romance in a romance genre story.

Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

That's the new definition. I didn't even know the definition changed. The old definition of "stroke" was no plot, hence the name — you're not reading a story, just sex scenes to, um, stroke yourself.

While I understand that was the old definition, I agree with the change, as there were several terrific stroke stories/series which would follow a string of characters as they chases one person after another, all the while building the story and developing the character. Dismissing an entire genre as "meaningless" is a bit of an overstatement. Even if it's not your cup of tea doesn't imply it can't be used to develop a terrific story.

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Switch Blayde
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@Crumbly Writer


I agree with the change, as there were several terrific stroke stories/series which would follow a string of characters as they chases one person after another, all the while building the story and developing the character.


That would have been "much sex" not stroke. Maybe it had to do with the TPA scoring where "P" was plot. It would be unjust to give a stroke story a "P" score when the author says there is no plot.

I don't agree with the change. Even though SOL has "no sex" stories it's still pretty much a sex story site. There should be a category for a story that is basically sex without plot — a stroke story.

EDITED go correct "no sex" stories. What happened? I originally didn't have the quotation marks so it read: Even though SOL has no sex stories...

Of course SOL has sex stories.

richardshagrin

Stories about rowing, competitive crew racing,from twos up to eight plus cox in a boat with someone calling "stroke, stroke, stroke" so the rowing is coordinated would be stroke stories. I remember at least one, about a high school student who went out for crew.

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Crumbly Writer

@richardshagrin

Stories about rowing, competitive crew racing,from twos up to eight plus cox in a boat with someone calling "stroke, stroke, stroke" so the rowing is coordinated would be stroke stories. I remember at least one, about a high school student who went out for crew.

Or a story about a mechanical engineer, whose entire job is to get those little engines to stroke, stroke, stroke. After a while, it can get a bit boring.

Not_a_ID

That crankshaft has to turn somehow.

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Dominions Son

If you put your piston in the wrong cylinder it can cause a major malfunction. :)

madnige

@richardshagrin

Artie has a Rowing story, available here - and, a humourous piece about writing sex stories, here, and don't miss the follow up article.

Bondi Beach

@Not_a_ID

That crankshaft has to turn somehow.


Wasn't that the gimmick in that stupid "Snowpiercer" movie—little kids in the bilge pedaling away?

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Dominions Son

@Bondi Beach

Wasn't that the gimmick in that stupid "Snowpiercer" movie—little kids in the bilge pedaling away?


According to IMD "Snowpiercer is set on a train.

A bilge is part of a ship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilge

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Bondi Beach

@Dominions Son

A bilge is part of a ship.


And this was a train with a bilge. What's so hard to understand about that?

I mean, after accepting that it's a train powered by little kids pedaling away, getting to "bilge" isn't really a very big step.

It was a crappy movie, BTW, although Tilda Swinton did her usual outstanding job.

bb

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Dominions Son

@Bondi Beach

And this was a train with a bilge. What's so hard to understand about that?


The bilge of a ship is the lowest compartment on a ship, below the waterline, where the two sides meet at the keel.

Since a train as a matter of definition has neither a keel nor a water line, it can not have a bilge.

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Not_a_ID

I think steam engines did actually have a bilge. Considering the tender box was surrounded by a "jacket of water" which was boiled to make, well, steam.

But its function was different, for obvious reasons.

http://www.layers-of-learning.com/model-steam-engine/

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Dominions Son
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@Not_a_ID


I think steam engines did actually have a bilge. Considering the tender box was surrounded by a "jacket of water" which was boiled to make, well, steam.


The diagram included with a section labeled "bilge" does not picture a "steam engine" and certainly not a steam locomotive.

It's a relatively modern oil fired boiler which supplies steam to a separate engine elsewhere.

I took a close look at the diagram.

The file name is 734px-HMS_Belfast_-_Boiler_diagram.svg.png

In other words the depicted boiler is from the ship the HMS Belfast, a British light cruiser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Belfast_(C35)

The bilge in the diagram is a ship's bilge.

Slutsinger

@Not_a_ID

I think I'm in agreement with what you're saying. It seems like even focusing on whether sex advances the plot misses some important considerations. A story where sex advances the plot through personal growth of the characters--facing vulnerability, gaining comfort being more open, the sort of exploration of growth through BDSM that I think is a hallmark of one class of good scene design--doesn't particularly seem to be in the stroke direction no matter how central sex is to the plot advancement.

slutsinger

@Crumbly Writer

What that means, to the author, is that it's time to start revising and editing in order to cut the fat--removing the unnecessary story elements which make the story impenetrable to those outside of your little group.

If you're writing for a general audience, or for the maximum audience, sure. I find myself in some disagreement, because I see nothing wrong with writing porn, car porn, or gun porn. It's better if you know what you're doing. I have more respect for someone who sets out to write gun porn, knowing full well that they significantly reduce their audience than I would the same story intended for a general audience.
I do understand that you're trying to write for the largest audience you can, and from that POV, what you are saying makes a lot of sense.
I also agree that learning what fat we can trim within the constraints of what we're trying to do is one of the important skills of story telling.

Bondi Beach

@Dominions Son

Since a train as a matter of definition has neither a keel nor a water line, it can not have a bilge.


Heh. Where logic and art meet, the former must yield to the latter.

To paraphrase Galileo, "Eppure è un bilge."

I rest my case.

bb

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Dominions Son

@Bondi Beach

Heh. Where logic and art meet, the former must yield to the latter.

To paraphrase Galileo, "Eppure è un bilge."


Tom Clancy:

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.


Your case rests in pieces.

Not_a_ID

You obviously haven't watched Excel Saga then. Of course, neither have I. Although I did love the panel response I heard when someone asked about a sequel. "Yeah, about that, we've already asked the creator/producer for a sequel. He looked at us in terror and asked if he could do anything but that."

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Perv Otaku

@Not_a_ID

So far she hasn't said anything we don't already know or haven't already been told, but she says it very well and I think the thing is worth its $2.99 price.


Eh. You know, writers that do really good, vivid sex scenes are few and far between. I'm not one of them. But I get the job done, and that's good enough.

You obviously haven't watched Excel Saga then. Of course, neither have I. Although I did love the panel response I heard when someone asked about a sequel. "Yeah, about that, we've already asked the creator/producer for a sequel. He looked at us in terror and asked if he could do anything but that."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder if that was before or after Puni Puni Poemy, which is generally considered to be a follow-up to Excel Saga, though not really a direct sequel.

I suppose if one were to examine the plot progress of Excel Saga, there isn't terribly much of it given all the spoof comedy going on. Except the spoof comedy is rather the point. Towards the end there is a plot-heavy "serious" episode, under the justification that at that point, that was the only thing they HADN'T done.

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@Perv Otaku

IIRC, the panel was at ComicCon, San Diego 2003.

Or I have it confused with a different panel in 2005(Baltimore). It's been awhile, either way. I just remember the source as Matt Greenfield of ADV Films. But as he held panels at both events...

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